Cancelled (2 Viewers)

[taubstumm]

Fucking +1. Monbiot especially - it's infuriating when someone you essentially agree with is such a smug know all

*puts on tinfoil hat*

I could be fairly easily convinced that he’s some kind of british deep-state controlled-opposition sort of figure

 

[Deadmanposting]

More thoughts would be if it was 3rd party, and AI - what was the motive

Bit of craic or righties doing a bit of social engineering?

The only AI that I can see is the author photo
Otherwise it's just a full-on prank by a real person/persons.
The author was on twitter talking up the story for a good day before the article was taken down.

Just gonna say it again. it is not an AI story from where I sit; it's hacking the Irish times editorial process through its known biases.

They could have done it with "Are E-bikes actually bad for the environment?" or something similar. These type of D4 white guilt trips are catnip over there.
But arguably not with "Has JK Rowling been misunderstood?" or "Should Ireland have an Australian type immigration policy?" (just picking two actually controversial topics at random)
There'd have been hackles up all over the place, and intense scrutiny of every line.


This person knew what buttons to press to glide through and pull Tara St's pants down.

 

[seanc]

Yes but what will AI spit out to these eternal questions?

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[Space]

The only AI that I can see is the author photo
Otherwise it's just a full-on prank by a real person/persons.
The author was on twitter talking up the story for a good day before the article was taken down.

Just gonna say it again. it is not an AI story from where I sit; it's hacking the Irish times editorial process through its known biases.

They could have done it with "Are E-bikes actually bad for the environment?" or something similar. These type of D4 white guilt trips are catnip over there.
But arguably not with "Has JK Rowling been misunderstood?" or "Should Ireland have an Australian type immigration policy?" (just picking two actually controversial topics at random)
There'd have been hackles up all over the place, and intense scrutiny of every line.


This person knew what buttons to press to glide through and pull Tara St's pants down.

The "author" didn't have a twitter account before the article was printed and they also had no other references anywhere online.

 

[ann post]

The only AI that I can see is the author photo
Otherwise it's just a full-on prank by a real person/persons.
The author was on twitter talking up the story for a good day before the article was taken down.

Just gonna say it again. it is not an AI story from where I sit; it's hacking the Irish times editorial process through its known biases.

They could have done it with "Are E-bikes actually bad for the environment?" or something similar. These type of D4 white guilt trips are catnip over there.
But arguably not with "Has JK Rowling been misunderstood?" or "Should Ireland have an Australian type immigration policy?" (just picking two actually controversial topics at random)
There'd have been hackles up all over the place, and intense scrutiny of every line.


This person knew what buttons to press to glide through and pull Tara St's pants down.

I kinda thought the article itself read like AI too, but i hadn't done any back checking around the internet about it at all.

I ended up reading about this after. involves giving people nightmares if you are nighmare person skip it

Spoiler: nightmares

Roko's basilisk - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ann post]

In a cancelling tangent on naming of things I was in roundstone a few weeks ago and looked up the Irish which is Cloch Na Rón - (Seals rock). Whatever prick translated that is cancelled.

Continuing this whinging.

Bells Harbour Co. Clare

Bealaclugga in tradion.

which is

'The mouth of the bell' which is way cooler.

While reading back about this i learned that harbour and harbringer are the same word that went went on different paths.

 

[magicbastarder]

Devilsmother, a double peak mountain overlooking killary harbour, is magairle an dabhail. The devil's testicles. Though I think they may have changed it back in the last ten years or so.

 

[Deadmanposting]

The "author" didn't have a twitter account before the article was printed and they also had no other references anywhere online.

Ah, I get that the stated name and persona are not true and the Twitter account is not verified or whatever.
But a real person created the Twitter account and ran it, most likely the same person who created the piece. Feeling absolutely chuffed with themselves no doubt that they'd got one over on the IT.

Again, this is a standard hoaxer who used an AI photo when they submitted the piece they created. The idea that there are "AI concerns" is a bunch of hooey.

the concern should be that you could submit any old craven white guilt b.s. and get it through the door.

 

[Space]

Ah, I get that the stated name and persona are not true and the Twitter account is not verified or whatever.
But a real person created the Twitter account and ran it, most likely the same person who created the piece. Feeling absolutely chuffed with themselves no doubt that they'd got one over on the IT.

Again, this is a standard hoaxer who used an AI photo when they submitted the piece they created. The idea that there are "AI concerns" is a bunch of hooey.

the concern should be that you could submit any old craven white guilt b.s. and get it through the door.

Obviously I can't prove either way and a person would have had to come up with the idea and the specific prompts for an AI to write it so there's certainly someone real behind it all.

What makes you so certain that it's a hoax played on the IT and not all done with prior approval?

 

[magicbastarder]

I've yet to learn what the payoff for the IT might be if it was deliberate and not a hoax?

 

[Space]

I've yet to learn what the payoff for the IT might be if it was deliberate and not a hoax?

Massive amount of people talking about the paper/article? Generate lots of outrage like any other click bait article would do? Test to see if they can get away with running AI articles?

I really wouldn't know what motivates IT editors so can only guess. I have no strong feelings either way , I'm just curious on people's thought processes on it.

 

[ann post]

It could be as simple as a person or a few people working from home who wants to go for a nice walk instead of doing work but has a quota to reach.

 

[magicbastarder]

just got this via mail:

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Good morning, *****

If a good newspaper is a nation talking to itself, the Opinion section is where much of that talking happens. It is an open, pluralistic space that hosts everyone from public figures and commentators to specialist analysts and ordinary readers with something to say. The aim each day is to come up with a blend of thought-provoking columns that inform, stimulate and lend a fresh perspective on a current issue. For us at The Irish Times, it is an important means of making good on our founding principles. Those principles describe a view of the world that is open-minded, tolerant, curious, respectful of divergent views and always attentive to the needs of minorities. We work hard at this. As in any 24/7 news operation, some days we do better than others. But last Thursday we got it badly wrong. That day, we published online an opinion column under the headline ‘Irish women’s obsession with fake tan is problematic’, written by someone purporting to be a young immigrant woman in Ireland. It made an argument that has been aired in other countries but related it to the Irish context. Over the course of several days, the author engaged with the relevant editorial desk - taking suggestions for edits on board, offering personal anecdotes and supplying links to relevant research. All of this was taken in good faith, and the article was published online on Thursday morning. Less than 24 hours after publication on our digital platforms, The Irish Times became aware that the column may not have been genuine. That prompted us to remove it from the site and to initiate a review, which is ongoing. It now appears that the article and the accompanying byline photo may have been produced, at least in part, using generative AI technology. It was a hoax; the person we were corresponding with was not who they claimed to be. We had fallen victim to a deliberate and coordinated deception. We don’t take this lightly. It was a breach of the trust between The Irish Times and its readers, and we are genuinely sorry. The incident has highlighted a gap in our pre-publication procedures. We need to make them more robust - and we will. It has also underlined one of the challenges raised by generative AI for news organisations. We, like others, will learn and adapt. In the meantime, The Irish Times will continue to make space for new writers, not least those from under-represented communities, and to offer you, our readers, the high-quality journalism you expect. Ruadhán Mac Cormaic Editor

 

[magicbastarder]

on this - "Over the course of several days, the author engaged with the relevant editorial desk" - if true, was it the author/hoaxer, or AI generated responses, the irish times was dealing with?
if it was the author, it further weakens the AI angle.

 

[pete]

The ‘Father of Gynaecology’ Dr James Marion Sims and his brutal experiments on slaves

Chris Fitzpatrick: The perversion of medical practice by the groundbreaking doctor is rarely discussed

www.irishtimes.com

 

[magicbastarder]

wait, is that an AI article too?

 

[egg_]

What makes you so certain that it's a hoax played on the IT and not all done with prior approval?

Wouldn't make any sense for the IT to do it to themselves. Too little to gain, and their reputation as "paper of record" to lose

 

[Space]

Wouldn't make any sense for the IT to do it to themselves. Too little to gain, and their reputation as "paper of record" to lose

Think they lost that rep a while back but how and ever.

 

[Deadmanposting]

The ‘Father of Gynaecology’ Dr James Marion Sims and his brutal experiments on slaves

Chris Fitzpatrick: The perversion of medical practice by the groundbreaking doctor is rarely discussed

www.irishtimes.com

Fucking literal horror show

Jesus

 

[egg_]

Think they lost that rep a while back but how and ever.

I don't think you're their target audience @moose