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Interesting article from this week's Economist. Where are all the Bush-supporting Thumpeders?

Political segregation
The Big Sort

Jun 19th 2008 | BETHESDA, MARYLAND, AND MCLEAN, VIRGINIA
From The Economist print edition
Americans are increasingly choosing to live among like-minded neighbours. This makes the culture war more bitter and politics harder



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SOME folks in Texas recently decided to start a new community “containing 100% Ron Paul supporters”. Mr Paul is a staunch libertarian and, until recently, a Republican presidential candidate. His most ardent fans are invited to build homesteads in “Paulville”, an empty patch of west Texas. Here, they will be free. Free not to pay “for other people's lifestyles [they] may not agree with”. And free from the irksome society of those who do not share their love of liberty.
Cynics chuckle, and even Mr Paul sounds unenthusiastic about the Paulville project, in which he had no hand. But his followers' desire to segregate themselves is not unusual. Americans are increasingly forming like-minded clusters. Conservatives are choosing to live near other conservatives, and liberals near liberals.

A good way to measure this is to look at the country's changing electoral geography. In 1976 Jimmy Carter won the presidency with 50.1% of the popular vote. Though the race was close, some 26.8% of Americans were in “landslide counties” that year, where Mr Carter either won or lost by 20 percentage points or more.
The proportion of Americans who live in such landslide counties has nearly doubled since then. In the dead-heat election of 2000, it was 45.3%. When George Bush narrowly won re-election in 2004, it was a whopping 48.3%. As the playwright Arthur Miller put it that year: “How can the polls be neck and neck when I don't know one Bush supporter?” Clustering is how.
County-level data understate the degree of ideological segregation, reckons Bill Bishop, the author of a gripping new book called “The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America is Tearing Us Apart”. Counties can be big. Cook County, Illinois, (which includes Chicago), has over 5m inhabitants. Beaverhead County, Montana, covers 5,600 square miles (14,400 square kilometres). The neighbourhoods people care about are much smaller.
Americans move house often, usually for practical reasons. Before choosing a new neighbourhood, they drive around it. They notice whether it has gun shops, evangelical churches and “W” bumper stickers, or yoga classes and organic fruit shops. Perhaps unconsciously, they are drawn to places where they expect to fit in.
Where you live is partly determined by where you can afford to live, of course. But the “Big Sort” does not seem to be driven by economic factors. Income is a poor predictor of party preference in America; cultural factors matter more. For Americans who move to a new city, the choice is often not between a posh neighbourhood and a run-down one, but between several different neighbourhoods that are economically similar but culturally distinct.
For example, someone who works in Washington, DC, but wants to live in a suburb can commute either from Maryland or northern Virginia. Both states have equally leafy streets and good schools. But Virginia has plenty of conservative neighbourhoods with megachurches and Bushites you've heard of living on your block. In the posh suburbs of Maryland, by contrast, Republicans are as rare as unkempt lawns and yard signs proclaim that war is not the answer but Barack Obama might be.
At a bookshop in Bethesda (one of those posh Maryland suburbs), Steven Balis, a retired lawyer with wild grey hair and a scruffy T-shirt, looks up from his New York Times. He says he is a Democrat because of “the absence of alternatives”. He comes from a family of secular Jews who supported the New Deal. He holds “positive notions of what government actions can accomplish”. Asked why he moved to Maryland rather than Virginia, he jokes that the far side of the river is “Confederate territory”. Asked if he has hard-core social-conservative acquaintances, he answers simply: “No.”
Groupthink

Because Americans are so mobile, even a mild preference for living with like-minded neighbours leads over time to severe segregation. An accountant in Texas, for example, can live anywhere she wants, so the liberal ones move to the funky bits of Austin while the more conservative ones prefer the exurbs of Dallas. Conservative Californians can find refuge in Orange County or the Central Valley.
Over time, this means Americans are ever less exposed to contrary views. In a book called “Hearing the Other Side”, Diana Mutz of the University of Pennsylvania crunched survey data from 12 countries and found that Americans were the least likely of all to talk about politics with those who disagreed with them.
Intriguingly, the more educated Americans become, the more insular they are. (Hence Mr Miller's confusion.) Better-educated people tend to be richer, so they have more choice about where they live. And they are more mobile. One study that covered most of the 1980s and 1990s found that 45% of young Americans with a college degree moved state within five years of graduating, whereas only 19% of those with only a high-school education did.
There is a danger in this. Studies suggest that when a group is ideologically homogeneous, its members tend to grow more extreme. Even clever, fair-minded people are not immune. Cass Sunstein and David Schkade, two academics, found that Republican-appointed judges vote more conservatively when sitting on a panel with other Republicans than when sitting with Democrats. Democratic judges become more liberal when on the bench with fellow Democrats.
Residential segregation is not the only force Balkanising American politics, frets Mr Bishop. Multiple cable channels allow viewers to watch only news that reinforces their prejudices. The internet offers an even finer filter. Websites such as conservativedates.com or democraticsingles.net help Americans find ideologically predictable mates.
And the home-schooling movement, which has grown rapidly in recent decades, shields more than 1m American children from almost any ideas their parents dislike. Melynda Wortendyke, a devout Christian who teaches all six of her children at her home in Virginia, says she took her eldest out of public kindergarten because she thought the standards there were low, but also because the kids were exposed to a book about lesbian mothers.
“We now live in a giant feedback loop,” says Mr Bishop, “hearing our own thoughts about what's right and wrong bounced back to us by the television shows we watch, the newspapers and books we read, the blogs we visit online, the sermons we hear and the neighbourhoods we live in.”
Shouting at each other

One might ask: so what? If people are happier living with like-minded neighbours, why shouldn't they? No one is obviously harmed. Mr Bishop does not, of course, suggest curbing Americans' right to freedom of association. But he worries about some of its consequences.
Voters in landslide districts tend to elect more extreme members of Congress. Moderates who might otherwise run for office decide not to. Debates turn into shouting matches. Bitterly partisan lawmakers cannot reach the necessary consensus to fix long-term problems such as the tottering pensions and health-care systems.
America, says Mr Bishop, is splitting into “balkanised communities whose inhabitants find other Americans to be culturally incomprehensible.” He has a point. Republicans who never meet Democrats tend to assume that Democrats believe more extreme things than they really do, and vice versa. This contributes to the nasty tone of many political campaigns.
Mr Bishop goes too far, however, when he says the “big sort” is “tearing [America] apart”. American politics may be polarised, but at least no one is coming to blows over it. “We respect each other's views,” says Mrs Wortendyke of the few liberals in the home-schooling movement. “We hate each other cordially,” says the liberal Mr Balis.
 
Interesting article. That's something that is immediately noticeable in any American city, i.e. whole areas of the city are populated by people who share similar interests & outlooks. It can even be reduced to musical tastes - in Boston, the hardcore people move to Jamaica Plain, I think, the indieish popsters live somewhere else, etc, etc. It's fascinating and clearly not quite right.
From talking to Americans, it's something that's evident from quite an early stage - in school, there are sporty people and there are arty people and never the twain shall meet, etc. You know the high school movies.
 
No, but America is not alone in being totally insular.

Ireland is nearly impenetrable, only the alliances are not based on interest, but on birth.

I just don't think it's a very good article. It could have been, but I think it's pretty simplistic and poorly argued.
 
I think i'm with Jane on this one. How is it any different to class? People of the same class have lived in the same areas for most of modern society. People of the same class tend to vote the same way and be culturally similar.

Having said all that, i'd fucking love to live in a Trotskyist utopia like Ballyjoehiggins.
 
No, but America is not alone in being totally insular.

Ireland is nearly impenetrable, only the alliances are not based on interest, but on birth.

I just don't think it's a very good article. It could have been, but I think it's pretty simplistic and poorly argued.

But what's Ireland got to do with it? It's an article about USA.
 
I think i'm with Jane on this one. How is it any different to class? People of the same class have lived in the same areas for most of modern society. People of the same class tend to vote the same way and be culturally similar.

Having said all that, i'd fucking love to live in a Trotskyist utopia like Ballyjoehiggins.

I don't think there is a judgement made on whether it is a better or worse separation than that by class which tends to occur elsewhere, without regard to politics or lifestyles within that class.
It is absolutely a valid observation to make. Americans tend to divide themselves into communities by more refined criteria that we do here. Why should it have to be qualified in some way by saying "Ireland is peculiar too, isn't it? We're an awful backward shithole".
 
Obviously, the enormous population of America makes this grouping according to politics or lifestyle feasible, unlike almost any other single rich country.
 
I don't think there is a judgement made on whether it is a better or worse separation than that by class which tends to occur elsewhere, without regard to politics or lifestyles within that class.

With respect,i think you missed my point. I was arguing that communities have clustered around class lines for centuries. To say that Americans are only beginning (i.e. last 30 years) to cluster around political lines kinda disregards class divisions.

the political emancipation of the proletariat...
the yoke of capitalism...
a spectre haunts Europe etc...
 
The differences are simplified in the press anyway. Most areas I've visited in the US haven't been markedly one party or the other. Within each party there are a wide variety of political opinions and classes. You've got racist Democrats, Libertarian Republicans, Social liberal but fiscal conservatives and all that jazz. All politics is (are?) local and the opinions of a Pacific North West Democrat might vary markedly from that of a Louisiana Dem etc.

There is a class element in that the stereotypical Republican voter is a gun-totin' racist redneck etc. There are pro-gun Dems, pro-abortion Republicans and remember that traditionally from say the 1860s to the 1950s these parties' positions were reversed. The Democrats were the racists in the the 1860s, the Republican Party of Abe Lincoln a liberal one.

Every American I know drives a car, eats at Denny's and likes Will Ferrell, can't we all just get along?
 
But Ireland's just as divided, only people tend to take for granted that kinship or ancestral Civil War affiliations are somehow less arbitrary than American division based on politics and interest. They're all arbitrary, and there are benefits and drawbacks to any kind of group. The relative weakness (or at least flexibility) of the familial bond in the US means people make their own little communities and are more likely to be able to escape a negative familial relationship, or at least distance themselves. The drawback is that people can feel a little ungrounded and miss that sense of belonging that even a shitty family can sometimes provide.

Americans are also divided by class, as in the place my mother used to live, which was totally racially diverse, but almost entirely college-educated and making between 50k-200k a year. In other words, middle to upper middle class.

My point was to use Ireland as an example because that's where most of us are sitting right now; everywhere is as insular as everywhere else because that's how people organise themselves, and probably always have -- we're social animals. America's insularity appears different from, say, Ireland or Italy or wherever, because it is a culture of immigrants, and so kinship relations are less likely to form the basis of your primary community. The communities might seem, to someone wh has visited the states a few times, to be based around more refined criteria, but most people I know associate with more than just one group, and those boundaries are a bit more fluid, at least in urban environments. And group membership changes, which in fact, seems less common in Ireland.

But just as most liberal americans have no conservative mates (although we all have conservative family members), stand outside of morning mass somewhere in rural Ireland and ask how many people have good pals who are gay rights activists. The article seems to suggest that there's something inherent in being American that makes one prone to lock yourself away from difference. It's just stating some pretty obvious stuff and then applying it to an argument that is oversimplified -- the way communities organise is far more complex.

And he doesn't offer any explanations, or insight into that complexity, and instead tries to assess it in a way it just can't be assessed. Of course it's creepy that Ron Paulheads want to live in a weird cult, but it's more complex than just an extreme version of hipsters wanting to live in Somerville and being glad they can buy soya milk in the local shop without having to drive all the way to the Co-op in Central Square.

So in essence, the article says very little we didn't already know, and in fact, simplifies what most people recognise as a far more complex set of phenomena. The bits about the judges are interesting, though. Still don't see anything wrong with having a totally Democratic bench, since, well, what's wrong with unanimous support for shit like gay marriage? Nothing.

I also don't know why he doesn't go in to 'Celebration', in Florida, which was a totally failed experiment in supervanilla moralitytown. When it came down to it, people kind of reverted to another American thing, which is a dislike of being told what to do. Every culture is full of contradictions and hypocrisy and group behaviour that is as negative as it is positive.

It sounds a little like he isn't too keen on freedom of association, and Maims, when do we move to Ballyjoehiggins? Are foreigns allowed?

Most of Ireland is a horrible backward shithole. Most of America is a horrible backward shithole. It's what nationhood is all about.

I also think it's important to point out that as Moods for Moderns said, it's a big country. If you wanted to settle a community for fans of Devo, you'd have a little cul-de-sac somewhere here. In the US, you could probably populate a county.
 
It sounds a little like he isn't too keen on freedom of association, and Maims, when do we move to Ballyjoehiggins? Are foreigns allowed?

If they're Eastern Bloc and drink vodka straight, then yes. Anyone who adds juice to their vodka is an enemy of the proletariat.
 
But Ireland's just as divided, only people tend to take for granted that kinship or ancestral Civil War affiliations are somehow less arbitrary than American division based on politics and interest. They're all arbitrary, and there are benefits and drawbacks to any kind of group. The relative weakness (or at least flexibility) of the familial bond in the US means people make their own little communities and are more likely to be able to escape a negative familial relationship, or at least distance themselves. The drawback is that people can feel a little ungrounded and miss that sense of belonging that even a shitty family can sometimes provide.

Americans are also divided by class, as in the place my mother used to live, which was totally racially diverse, but almost entirely college-educated and making between 50k-200k a year. In other words, middle to upper middle class.

My point was to use Ireland as an example because that's where most of us are sitting right now; everywhere is as insular as everywhere else because that's how people organise themselves, and probably always have -- we're social animals. America's insularity appears different from, say, Ireland or Italy or wherever, because it is a culture of immigrants, and so kinship relations are less likely to form the basis of your primary community. The communities might seem, to someone wh has visited the states a few times, to be based around more refined criteria, but most people I know associate with more than just one group, and those boundaries are a bit more fluid, at least in urban environments. And group membership changes, which in fact, seems less common in Ireland.

But just as most liberal americans have no conservative mates (although we all have conservative family members), stand outside of morning mass somewhere in rural Ireland and ask how many people have good pals who are gay rights activists. The article seems to suggest that there's something inherent in being American that makes one prone to lock yourself away from difference. It's just stating some pretty obvious stuff and then applying it to an argument that is oversimplified -- the way communities organise is far more complex.

And he doesn't offer any explanations, or insight into that complexity, and instead tries to assess it in a way it just can't be assessed. Of course it's creepy that Ron Paulheads want to live in a weird cult, but it's more complex than just an extreme version of hipsters wanting to live in Somerville and being glad they can buy soya milk in the local shop without having to drive all the way to the Co-op in Central Square.

So in essence, the article says very little we didn't already know, and in fact, simplifies what most people recognise as a far more complex set of phenomena. The bits about the judges are interesting, though. Still don't see anything wrong with having a totally Democratic bench, since, well, what's wrong with unanimous support for shit like gay marriage? Nothing.

I also don't know why he doesn't go in to 'Celebration', in Florida, which was a totally failed experiment in supervanilla moralitytown. When it came down to it, people kind of reverted to another American thing, which is a dislike of being told what to do. Every culture is full of contradictions and hypocrisy and group behaviour that is as negative as it is positive.

It sounds a little like he isn't too keen on freedom of association, and Maims, when do we move to Ballyjoehiggins? Are foreigns allowed?

Most of Ireland is a horrible backward shithole. Most of America is a horrible backward shithole. It's what nationhood is all about.

I also think it's important to point out that as Moods for Moderns said, it's a big country. If you wanted to settle a community for fans of Devo, you'd have a little cul-de-sac somewhere here. In the US, you could probably populate a county.


if you move the mouse scroll thingy up and down really fast, this resembles static on your TV.
 
Jane, please start a thread called "The Balkanisation of Irish Politics", kthx. :)

One never sees the mote in their own eye but its hardly relevant in this case. American politics and culture, because of their supreme ubiquity abroad will always be fodder for us muck savages in a way the South Offaly bye-election can never be for a significant chunk of the American populace.
 
Your man McWilliams had an interesting article on the divides in Irish society in the rag there one time. I think it might be on his site, it was that Dublin airport is the only place in Irish society where all classes meet.
 

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