GARYXKNIFEDX
Well-Known Member
Is this happening now Gary?
Surprisingly so(although it would seem I'm probably most guilty of taking it off topic,oops!!!)
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Is this happening now Gary?
Er no maybe I didn't put it correctly.That's fine if you want to have your own personal definition of 'punk', but it seems a bit silly to suggest that other people's use of it should be restricted because of it.
we all know the sort of 'sound' you are referring to when you use the term 'punk', but it's a word that means a whole lot more. It has a long and complex history and has meant different things at different times to different people. And that's one of the cool things about it, that the definition of the word itself is kind of punk as fuck. Which is precisely why you can't really try to put controls on who uses it and how.
If you only like music that has a particular type of sound, that's fine, those are your tastes, but it doesn't mean you can clamp a barbed wire fence around that and say that only things that fall within it are called 'punk', so designated because you like them. It's just that your musical tastes mirror your worldview, when punk as a concept is as changeable as the scenes themselves.
I should add that out of all the bands above I maybe listen to X-ray spex an odd time but I listen to mostly anarcho Punk and 90's punk bands.Janer,please split the following bands ionto punk and non punk
Undertones.....new wave (these days would be classed pop punk)
Buzzcocks....... with howard Devoto Punk,without pop punk etc
Killing Joke.......no
Joy Division.........no
Stooges........pre 76 Punk and yes alot of punk bands said they were influnced by em but not Punk
Sonics.......donno 'em
Talking Heads..........new wave then mainstream
New York Dolls........Pre 76 punk and would just about give em Punk
Television.........not enough playtime to judge,may have listened 1/2 times but didn't like 'em
Ramones.......yes
The Ruts.......yes but old school
Discharge........1st line up yes, with Cal yes (although some people would say d-beat of course)
The Clash.....1st album
Dr Feelgood.........no
The Jam.........cross of Punk/New wave up until setting sons
Cock Sparrer........no ( but but!)
Count Bishops.....I want candy? new wave at best
Boomtown Rats......1st album new wave, tonic new wave too I guess
Stranglers.......upuntil the 3rd studio album they were a cross of punk/new wave
X Ray Spex.....yes
Thanks for taking part.
Off out for a few pints watching the footy, discuss subject after.
I should add that out of all the bands above I maybe listen to X-ray spex an odd time but I listen to mostly anarcho Punk and 90's punk bands.
I never get the whole soccer/punk thing - its just wrong...like beastality or something..
I should add that when I go to Blackpool each year it is so nice just to have mostly Punk fans there
I do worry about Punk dying you see.
Off out for a few pints watching the footy, discuss subject after.
Being serious though -
I'm still trying to figure out the whole concept of 'scenes'.
Never took much notice of it before - until i was trading with a label (Feral Ward) and they said we 'weren't the same scene', granted i was short on patch's and crust records to trade and he did'nt like the bracket.retards.bracket stuff.
As for the styles discussion, does'nt matter a shite to me!I don't see divisions much among genres, maybe when i was younger i did, but now i don't, once its good and makes a difference.
Punk for me at the moment is Tinariwen
This stuff from Soweto is freaking me out too, and Protestant and Kursk are wiping the floor with the stuff their creating these days....i'm drifiting into non-related stuff now.
I can well see the cross over into Hotpress land etc...as well as diy bands trying to jump on large corporate backed gigs - but i think times have changed so much its not surprising, nobody wants to play the same shitehole all the time or probably want the opinion of a wider audiance, this could be related too to the fact that Ireland/people have more cash, want more stuff, more focus on rewards/success...or the 'I want to have it all!' way of living.
I personally don't think punk is anywere near dead. But,if I entered an argument about it,events like blackpool would lean me more towards punk being dead than alive.
To me,something like blackpool is were old punks go to die.
I'm gonna get a lot of shit for saying this personally, divisions in the scene don't bother me at all.I personally don't feel like I have anything in common with , say, the folks who post on Moshspace, or Punk for It, in terms of musical taste or anything else. And I'm not going to go out of my way at this point in my life to support something I don't feel any connection to or enjoy musically, I have neither the money or time to do so. I KNOW a bunch of other folks feel the same way about this, but noone ever says it.
I wish them well and all, but it's not for me. Likewise, I don't expect people to support stuff I do if they have no interest in it.It's always been that way, it always will be. The "eirecore" folks get a lot of shit for being intolerant or unsupportive of these kinda things (and yes, I'll put my hand up and say I personally have been guilty of it, something I've tried to change in the last while), but I firmly believe it goes both ways.
Basically I'm a grumpyu old man andI don't want to be part of the same scene as folks who don't believe Minor Threat and Bad Brains are hardcore bands
fair enough that you feel this way but actively encouraging this kind of scene-splintering is selfish and stupid.
I was extremely disappointed by how few people from outside of Belfast came along to the GGI fest. As someone pointed out this would be one of the important festivals taking place, and hardly in Ireland from outside Belfast travelled to it. As it was, we just about broke even, but some of the Scottish bands lost a little money. If even 20 more people had turned up for the weekend then no-one would have lost anything and it would have been perfect, we're just lucky that we got a really good crowd from Belfast and a good few people from Scotland and Holland.
maybe we should all move to the same city for the laugh!
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