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[Unicron]

Beto backs Biden. The fucker

Does he reckon he's got another Texas Senate run in him?

Big day today obviously. By tomorrow evening there really should only be 2 people still running (though there'll be at least 3, Bloomberg isn't going anywhere.)

Am a bit flummoxed as to why Warren is still in, as someone seen on the progressive wing of the party any vote for her is sort of a vote for Biden or Bloomberg at this stage. Unless she's hoovering up whatever loose delegates lying around she can and make it to the convention presenting herself as the acceptable left leaning candidate if they need to broker a candidate.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

I haven't been paying attention. Why do some Democrats hate Bernie? Is it that he hasn't a chance of winning (in their opinion) so a vote for him means another four years of Trump? Or is there something in his policies they don't like?

Generally his downsides among a lot of Democrats
- He's not a Democrat
- His socialist policies mean that he has less broad appeal than other candidates, and is therefore weaker against Trump
- His supporters are seen as divisive and will make it difficult to grow his support

 

[hermie]

Does he reckon he's got another Texas Senate run in him?

Big day today obviously. By tomorrow evening there really should only be 2 people still running (though there'll be at least 3, Bloomberg isn't going anywhere.)

Am a bit flummoxed as to why Warren is still in, as someone seen on the progressive wing of the party any vote for her is sort of a vote for Biden or Bloomberg at this stage. Unless she's hoovering up whatever loose delegates lying around she can and make it to the convention presenting herself as the acceptable left leaning candidate if they need to broker a candidate.

I'd imagine that's exactly what she's doing but it's far likelier that she'll sway it for Biden than for that to happen. I wonder has Bernie offered her a position in a potential administration and if so was she not tempted?

 

[Unicron]

Incidentally, the 538 model has not been kind to Sanders in the past week. Since Nevada when he was rated at 40%, by far the most likely candidate to win enough delegates for the nomination (though no-one was also rated at 40%) he's dropped to 16% likelyhood, Biden is about 21% and "no one" is at 60%.

The projection has Biden at 1579 delegates and Sanders at 1549. At which point you'd imagine that the superdelegates would push Joe over the line.

 

[Unicron]

I'd imagine that's exactly what she's doing but it's far likelier that she'll sway it for Biden than for that to happen. I wonder has Bernie offered her a position in a potential administration and if so was she not tempted?

Regardless of nominee her background would make her well suited to a cabinet post in any administration that might beat Trump. Well, maybe not Bloomberg.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Warren in a landslide at my polling station, bitches

 

[Unicron]

Warren in a landslide at my polling station, bitches

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Friend of mine in Brooklyn has spent the last couple of weekends travelling up to New England to canvass for Sanders, was in MA last weekend and said to me that he was surprised by how little people he had spoken to were talking about Warren, entirely anecdotal obviously.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Generally his downsides among a lot of Democrats
- He's not a Democrat
- His socialist policies mean that he has less broad appeal than other candidates, and is therefore weaker against Trump
- His supporters are seen as divisive and will make it difficult to grow his support

If you want to have a genuine talk about this I would answer as follows:

- He's not a Democrat - Arguably a good thing amongst the electorate who fuckin hate the Dems.

- His socialist policies mean that he has less broad appeal than other candidates, and is therefore weaker against Trump - Double edged sword, so much poisoning about that word certainly works against the older vote, the younger have proven the opposite. The young may not be enough for sure this time around but don't underestimate just how hopeless a future of more of the same looks to everyone under 35.

- His supporters are seen as divisive and will make it difficult to grow his support - Even if I took this as true, which I don't, Trump won with the entire media working against the "deplorables".

And this is all when you assume the vote is just a game and about "electability," Sanders is offering America something different. This is why I find him exciting. Attack me personally and call me disingenuous all you like - if Sanders decided to roll back on the actual values and policies that have people supporting him in the first place then you will watch his support drop like a stone, as has already happened with Warren.

I'd opine that anyone can beat Trump because Trump is not actually that popular (speaking relatively, obviously he has massive support amongst his base and that ain't going anywhere) and the Republicans always have to try and find a way of suppressing votes in order to win but Biden is at least as much of a risk as Sanders. He can barely string a sentence together, has to defend 50 years of bad decisions by arguing "growth" and his only real selling point is that he is friends with Obama. Which in fairness to him, as demonstrated by South Carolina, is no small thing.

What will be will be, I do agree with the people saying that the Sanders supporters are trying to hold the democratic party to ransom; they will argue (quite correctly) that this is no different to what the democratic party has done to every genuinely progressive candidate for the past 50 years. If the party refuses to bend to any of the demands then they will likely lose a ton of support and possibly destroy the party as well.




If you'd prefer to just make catty comments (and i'm always up for that) then i'll say that if one was to profess to hold any kind of progressive values then a vote for Warren in the primary is about as useful as a vote for Jill Stein in 2016.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

said to me that he was surprised by how people he had spoken to were talking about Warren, entirely anecdotal obviously.

That's nice to hear

The sad reality is that she faces a struggle to win her own state

 

[Unicron]

That's nice to hear

The sad reality is that she faces a struggle to win her own state

Sorry that was a typo, I meant how LITTLE people he spoke to were saying about her.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

If you want to have a genuine talk about this

Not really

Just answering Johnny's Why do some Democrats hate Bernie? question, as someone that has talked to a lot of Dem voters

You want to talk about why they're all wrong

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Sorry that was a typo, I meant how LITTLE people he spoke to were saying about her.

You sir, are an Indian giver

 

[Lili Marlene]

Not really

Just answering Johnny's Why do some Democrats hate Bernie? question, as someone that has talked to a lot of Dem voters

Fair enough, fair enough.

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

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Have any of our favorite rock stars come out in support of Biden or Bloomberg?

 

[Lili Marlene]

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I read John Mellencamp supports Bloomberg

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Carson Ellis is down with Liz, which tells you all you need to know about where the good people stand

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[Denny Oubidoux]

Steven Drozd of the flaming lips was all excited for Kamala Harris, I think he's tuned out again now. I'm still kinda fond of Cher despite this and her horrific singing voice

 

[ann post]

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Have any of our favorite rock stars come out in support of Biden or Bloomberg?

Internet ride* and sometimes funny lady for Bernie

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*she's the one from that notorious Jeff Goldblum image

 

[hydromancer]

Warren is actually decent and likeable enough it's just a shame that her entire campaign is being run by the Armenians if McCain was still alive she would be outed by now.

 

[Lili Marlene]

California Sanders, Texas Biden. The Democratic public apparatus want you to think Biden has straight out won but there's still a long fight left.


On the plus side, if Biden does win then for sheer entertainment value show me the lie here:

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