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[nooleen]

open letter from a complete moron who actually believed in trump

An Open Letter to Trump Voters from His Top Strategist-Turned-Defector

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

He's won a few recent primaries but is behind on the delegate count, it's fairly tight on the pledged delegates (won in primaries) but Clinton is miles ahead due to the superdelegates (party insiders and big wigs who get a vote)

Bernie is behind on pledged delegates too - like 20% or so.
And he is not deemed to have much shot with winning southern/black/Latino states. He does better with young white Dem voters. Traditional Democrat voters will tilt to Hills, Bernie is not a Democrat.
It's difficult to see him winning the pledged delegate count, even without the super delegates.
Hillary had all the Supers last go round and Barrack took them from her. That does not look likely this time.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

I wonder is the whole received wisdom about Hilary and super delegates a bit off.

Super delegates will back the winner. Imagine a scenario where a candidate goes in trailing on pledged delegates and is handed the race by super delegates - there'd be uproar.

They are nice to have, they give the impression that you're ahead and are the presumptive winner, they give an air of inevitability etc. But will they pull you out of a well?

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

I wonder is the whole received wisdom about Hilary and super delegates a bit off.

Super delegates will back the winner. Imagine a scenario where a candidate goes in trailing on pledged delegates and is handed the race by super delegates - there'd be uproar.

They are nice to have, they give the impression that you're ahead and are the presumptive winner, they give an air of inevitability etc. But will they pull you out of a well?

With Bernie there's an argument to be made that because he's not a member of the party, then he maybe shouldn't get those delegates as they are from the party and unions and whatnot.

But it's academic, the situation doesn't arise. He won't win the majority of voted delegates.

 

[IFF]

I wonder is the whole received wisdom about Hilary and super delegates a bit off.

Super delegates will back the winner. Imagine a scenario where a candidate goes in trailing on pledged delegates and is handed the race by super delegates - there'd be uproar.

They are nice to have, they give the impression that you're ahead and are the presumptive winner, they give an air of inevitability etc. But will they pull you out of a well?

The same was about Obama in 2008 as sanders now that he can't win because of the super delegates

But this is also a very good point as to why sanders won't win

With Bernie there's an argument to be made that because he's not a member of the party, then he maybe shouldn't get those delegates as they are from the party and unions and whatnot.

But it's academic, the situation doesn't arise. He won't win the majority of voted delegates.

 

[nooleen]

bill yells at black people on third rail issue...probably not helping hillary so much

President Bill Clinton Gets It Wrong On Mass Incarceration

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Black votes matter

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[nooleen]

smooooooooooth

"as president, i would promise frosty chocolate milkshakes for all"

 

[hugh]

What do yiz mean Bernie is not a Democrat? Can you run for the nomination without being a member of the party? That seems weird...

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

What do yiz mean Bernie is not a Democrat? Can you run for the nomination without being a member of the party? That seems weird...

He's an independent that caucuses with the Dems

You can read about it here

[VIDEO]Is Bernie Sanders a Democrat?

I think anyone can run for the nomination, you just have to put your name down and pay money
Look at the likes of Steve Forbes or Trump.

 

[hugh]

You'd think after years of watching West Wing and House Of Cards I'd actually understand thus stuff but no...

 

[Mormon Nailer]

What do yiz mean Bernie is not a Democrat? Can you run for the nomination without being a member of the party? That seems weird...

Bizarre isn't it.

 

[Unicron]

Bizarre isn't it.

This came up on another forum related to why the RNC were allowing Trump to run. This was the answer from a guy who teaches constitutional law/politics in a college.

"
Freedom of association. Joining and leaving a political party are voluntary actions. You can't just kick anyone out.

The party can with-hold money from him. The party can announce they disagree with him. The party can actively campaign for someone other than him. But keep in mind that when you do all these things, you not only alienate him but also his legions of followers who amount to about 35% of the base.

The idea is that if someone runs for President under your party with ideas different from your party base, the base will refuse to support them and they will fade away.

Thus, we have to assume, Trump's ideas are the ideas of the Republican party that many of their candidates were just too afraid to say out-loud.
"

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

That argument seems odd; he acknowledges that Trump supporters are at something of a remove from the Republican party but then drags them back in to claim that the Republican party holds the same policies as this substantial minority that was previously at a remove from the party.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

The notion of a political party seems more baked into the constitution than it does here...it's funny that the end result is a much looser system, where here a political party is a club and if they want to turf you out they are free to do so.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

That argument seems odd; he acknowledges that Trump supporters are at something of a remove from the Republican party but then drags them back in to claim that the Republican party holds the same policies as this substantial minority that was previously at a remove from the party.

This gets back to the notion that Republican party believed that the people who voted for them actually believed all the free trade guff that they were selling.

They didn't, the Hyekian shit was the party elite, your average voter could give a fuck about free trade and has no ideological problem with tariffs if he keeps his job. Trump realises this, the republican party in general doesn't.

Your average republican voter isn't a true believer and even though he'll spout the free trade mantra as basic fundie apologetics, in reality he votes republican for different reasons.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Pretty much, they were bought off with talk of guns and God, and a government that would leave you alone to do as you pleased. Now that the American dream is over and people are seeing a real split between rich and poor you've got a lot of pissed off 'republicans'. Its a party for the rich, the poor are finally realising that.

 

[nooleen]

...by getting behind a billionaire

smart they ain't

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

He's telling them what they want to hear in their own language.

 

[nooleen]

"blah blah blah the rich"

/flies off in gold jet/