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http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2005/0526/breaking18.htm

Two men shot dead in attempted Dublin raid
By Patrick Logue
Last updated: 26-05-05, 13:08

Two men died this morning when gardaí foiled an attempted raid on a north Co Dublin post office.

The men were part of a five-man gang trying to rob the post office in Lusk just after it opened at 8am, gardaí said. They were shot by gardaí after they reportedly refused to put down their weapons.

It is believed gardaí, including members of the Emergency Response Unit (ERU), were lying in wait for the gang overnight. A witness said armed officers were seen exiting a camper van as the raid commenced. Other officers were waiting inside the post office behind the counter when the gang burst in, armed with at least one gun and a sledgehammer.

A Garda statement said: "Armed gardaí challenged five men inside the premises as they were attempting to carry out a robbery shortly after it opened for business at 8am."

"Shots were fired and two men were injured," he added. One man was dead on arrival at Beaumont Hospital while the other died at about 11am in hospital.

Three other men were arrested and held under Section 30 of the Offences Against the State Act. One man is in his late 30s, another in his late 20s and the third in his early 20s. They are being held in various Garda stations in the Dublin region.

A gun and other weapons were found at the scene.

The head of the Garda Press Office, Supt Kevin Donohoe, who travelled to Lusk this morning, said officers were at the scene when the gang arrived to raid the post office. He said the surveillance was being carried out as "part of ongoing investigations".

He could not confirm that the men were shot after they refused to drop their weapons when ordered to do so by officers. "All I can say at this stage is that shots were fired," he said.

The dead men have not been formally identified as yet but at least one of them is believed to be well-known to gardaí.

Acting Garda Commisioner, Deputy Commissioner Fachtna Murphy, has appointed Chief Superintendent Kevin Ludlow, Cork City Division, to investigate "all aspects surrounding this incident", the statement said.

The scene has been sealed off for forensic examination.

Labour's justice spokesman Joe Costello said the deaths of the two men in a reported exchange of fire with gardaí was "yet further evidence of the growing problem of gun crime in this country".

"Armed robberies of post-offices and cash-consignments and the taking of hostages have become all too common. With such widespread use of weapons, it was always only going to be matter of time before there were fatalities," he said.

He said he welcomed the speedy announcement of an internal Garda inquiry, but "this may not be sufficient to deal with legitimate matters of public concern that may arise".

"In this regard it is particularly regrettable that almost four years after the original announcement, we still do not have a Garda Ombudsman's office which would be the appropriate institution to carry out such an investigation."
 
spiritualtramp said:
Fuck them, they shouldn't be robbing post offices with semi-automatics in the first place. I have no sympathy whatsoever. Sorry!

dudes from Blanch, Limerick, Westies, wherever etc take each other out all the time

what makes this any different?

pricks

ps - revenge for Jerry McCabe?
 
spiritualtramp said:
Fuck them, they shouldn't be robbing post offices with semi-automatics in the first place. I have no sympathy whatsoever. Sorry!

According to today's Irish Times, one of the dead men was unarmed, and none of the guns that were used by the robbers were fired. Also, Amnesty International has called for an independent investigation.

Don't worry, folks, though! There's going to be an 'internal Garda investigation'! The Gardai, of course, have a flawless and honourable record in all regards and we should believe whatever they say.
 
None of the guns were fired alright. But they were repeatedly ordered to lay down their guns and they didn't. Well known drug dealers from the inner city who have nbeen terrorising bullying and robbing people for years. They kinda cunts you would love to marry your sister. Fuck them. I would have prefered them to be in jail..buy hey their choice to fuck with armed police with guns in their hands.Things have got out of hand with the criminal class in this country at the moment..there is a shooting nearly every week.
 
ITalkShite said:
According to today's Irish Times, one of the dead men was unarmed, and none of the guns that were used by the robbers were fired.

The Gardai can't really be expected to wait for the criminals to shoot at them. If they're part of a an armed gang carrying out criminal activities they deserve anything they get.
 
apparently:

only one of the five men were armed.
the guards surrounded them, ordered him to drop the weapon.
the main man turned to the guard who called the order and moved into a firing stance.
a second man tried to attack a guard/strugled to get a gun.

the main man was shot, died in hospital later.
another man was shot and died in the ambulance.
 
ITalkShite said:
Don't worry, folks, though! There's going to be an 'internal Garda investigation'! The Gardai, of course, have a flawless and honourable record in all regards and we should believe whatever they say.

Yawn. I knew the anti-guard stuff would start.
 
spiritualtramp said:
I don't get why these drug dealer dudes *need* to rob post offices as well. Surely selling loadsa coke would be rather profitable?

yeah if you are good at it. The were robbing the post office to finance a big deal that would inturn make them loads of dosh. That's the theory anyways.
 
Although, i would love to go on a nationwide crime spree, robbin shops n post offices and spraying political grafiti everywhere, bit of a sensation like, go round smashing up moblie phone masts and big wankers faux mansion ugly houses blighting the place, diggin up golf courses, smashing car dealership windows, keying wanky cars n SUVs, and then my final chase through the wilderness all captured on the news helicopter, rattle em cages. pity there's no mexico down south.
 
Here, I'm not trying to sympathise with bad dudes who are ripping off a post office. Just the idea that the cops will head in and kill two of them is most disconcerting, and is even more so as more details come to light.

Like none of the bad dudes firing any gun, or bad dudes being shot dead despite being unarmed. Questions, questions, and plenty of them.

Add this to the Gardai's proven track record of being extrordinarily unreliable and self-serving in their 'internal investigations' (RTS/Mayday, Flood Tribunal, out-of-court compensation payments for complaints, John Carthy shooting, etc) and you have to ask yourself what the fuck is going on.
 

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