Protest over budget (2 Viewers)

[GO]

Green Goblin,Green Gobbledygook more like.

 

[Green Goblin]

Green Goblin,Green Gobbledygook more like.

Such a comedian. This epic humour is sure to wash away our recessionary woes.

you are well capable of setting one up yourself.

a few simple steps.

define what the problem is. (be as specific as you can)

identify the scale of the problem.

identify who it affected by the problem.

identify partners/alliances

identify what the protest will do, what the follow up campaigning will be etc

pick a date

promote

get finance if required

etc.

The fact that nobody in this thread has said "I'm up for a protest" means that this is, in of itself, fruitless. It would have been a start if someone did - where exactly am I meant to recruit people? Proc, boards, the results will be the same, snivelling apathetics. I don't even have the time to do it as I'm doing a full time course and there are plenty of people "properly" unemployed.

It needs to start somewhere, someone with below average social skills and ADHD like me is not going to be able to see it through. That doesn't make the people who do have the skills and the resourses blameless too, though, I wish I had that. I would certainly join in with a protest if there was one though, I hope there's a turnout to the one on friday.

 

[nooleen]

the economy might be fucked but at least we're not at the stage yet where we can't afford to feed the trolls, eh lads?

 

[ann post]

Less money is kind of irrelevant when costs of living are far lower, not to mention they have better working conditions and more rights to begin with.

Money is also all we ever had in this country, now it's gone people are deluded enough to think we shouldn't bother our asses to at least raise our voices.

They're more stable because they're simply better run. Irish people are, on average, incompetent because we take pride in getting other people's goat.

you'd be fright fully deluded to think money is all we had in this country. labour was we we had, most of us emigrated to places where we would have the advantage of being strong workers willing to work for beans at a chance of a better life. the dole didnt even really exist 40 years ago. this money thing is a a ten year high.

 

[Green Goblin]

So anyone who isn't an apathetic little fuck is a "troll" now? This is exactly what I mean. Anyone who pushes forward a useful position is automatically mocked to pieces.

 

[ann post]

goblin. working harder is my form of protest. action through action brother.

 

[nooleen]

nom nom nom, don't eat me mr. troll

 

[FiFi_LaRue]

Organise your own protest. Don't expect other people to do it for you.

 

[broken arm]

It needs to start somewhere, someone with below average social skills and ADHD like me is not going to be able to see it through. That doesn't make the people who do have the skills and the resourses blameless too, though, I wish I had that. I would certainly join in with a protest if there was one though, I hope there's a turnout to the one on friday.

believe me, when you are passionate about something and you want to build a campaign you need patience and you need to expect most people to not share your passion.

your issue with the budget/your financial support is actually pretty complex _ I'm not sure yet how I would describe it in 2-3 sentences.

Can you be more targetted in your approach - i.e. who specifically is responsible for affecting your income, what other organisations/people are likely to be affected by this, are there organisations/people already building campaigns/protests?

 

[Green Goblin]

Organise your own protest. Don't expect other people to do it for you.

I already explained how this was not viable. Also, if it was possible to easily organise mass protest, then it would have been done already. There is a fundamental flaw in the modern Irish mentality that makes rallying to a cause near impossible. I am easily one of the worst people to arrange anything on that scale.

goblin. working harder is my form of protest. action through action brother.

Working harder at what? One dude pushing more paper isn't going to do a lot for the economy. The Irish mentality is the biggest problem with our country.

 

[FiFi_LaRue]

I really don't even know why I've bothered reading this thread.

Can we block threads?

 

[nooleen]

ah, just enjoy the ride

 

[FiFi_LaRue]

ah, just enjoy the ride

I s'pose.

 

[ann post]

Working harder at what? One dude pushing more paper isn't going to do a lot for the economy. The Irish mentality is the biggest problem with our country.

i dont push paper, i stack it.

well say for example minimum wage here is 8 euro?? well if i put in a few extra hours a week and not ask for any more, then thats bringing minimum wage closer to 7, or 7.50. the reason ireland is losing jobs so fast is that the americans cant afford to pay our labour rates, in fact almost nobody can. if i effectively reduce my pay level, then i'm bringing myself into a competitive line with the rest of europe. the world doesnt owe us a living. and i agree with moose, if you want you can do an awful lot on the dole. we wont have a large influx of employment untill we brining our average wage down, no amount of protesting in the traditional sense will do that. unless thats the point.

 

[broken arm]

I am easily one of the worst people to arrange anything on that scale.

I understand that but surely you are not the only one with the specific problem/issue with finance?

can you channel your thoughts/energy into working with those people first?

 

[GO]

Gobbldyboots,you should start a band and set your grievances to music.The kind of rhetoric you specialise in was just made for ballads.Get yourself a little Self-aid type thing going bro.Put the profits into your little anime club(although why you'd need money to look at shit Japanese comics with other nerds in a pub is beyond me).But you should be more pro-active man.Srsly.

 

[Space]

So anyone who isn't an apathetic little fuck is a "troll" now? This is exactly what I mean. Anyone who pushes forward a useful position is automatically mocked to pieces.

What useful position? All you've said is you want someone else to set up a protest for you. You're all talk. Have you ever seen the people protest on their own outside the dail, they have conviction unlike you.

As Broken Arm asked what are you gonna call for in your protest? More money for you? What about me? I get nothing, maybe some of you're money should go to all the self employed people who've lost all their work or are they not as important as you?

 

[Green Goblin]

believe me, when you are passionate about something and you want to build a campaign you need patience and you need to expect most people to not share your passion.

your issue with the budget/your financial support is actually pretty complex _ I'm not sure yet how I would describe it in 2-3 sentences.

Can you be more targetted in your approach - i.e. who specifically is responsible for affecting your income, what other organisations/people are likely to be affected by this, are there organisations/people already building campaigns/protests?

The problem with rent allowance is that rents have not fallen to the degree that the budget reflects. It was already very difficult to get a decent place on rent allowance, now it remains just as difficult since dispite market saturation I am more limited in what I can choose, many rents simply have not fallen.

This was part of the revisions in the April budget. All current payments were cut by about 10%. The minimum contribution has also been raised from 13 to 24 euros. I understand that these are difficult times, but for many people, expecting to negotiate a rent reduction with a landlord could mean they end up homeless. I myself have to find a cheaper place. With cuts to childcare I can imagine some are in a really tough position.

The other problem with rent allowance is that as far as I know you can't add to the top up yourself unless you get the landlord to sign it off as being cheaper than it actually is, though with it now being €24 I doubt I could afford much more. When you subtract bills, food from my disability there isn't a lot of money for other things. Some people may believe people who are unemployed should just about get by, but we were able to get more than that working for some amount of time, countries like sweden can get it working longer.

The main thing I am fearful of is further cuts. My parents over over protective and eventually, I will have to move back home to save money. Because of my aspergers I still need their help with certain things. I believe this is what the government is trying to do though, cutbacks on things like independance for disabled people.

I am not someone who is going to be able to work for quite some time even if the job situation suddenly improves. I have aspergers, ADHD among other things, am prone to panic attacks, have almost no attention span and have recieved zero treatment for any of these thanks to the excellent support framework in this country. I am tired of being called lazy for not working, especially in this climate. In fact I'm doing everything I can, I'm even attending a full time National Learning Network course to get me back on my feet. The course itself though is driving me mad. I worked hard to get through college only for there to be nothing for me at the other end.

I am extremely poor at budgeting and this is something I've never been good at. Because of my cocktail of mental disorders, my foreplanning is poor and I often end up grabbing food in town. My lifestyle makes it difficult for this not to happen, I often spend whole days out, especially sine I don't like cold sandwhiches.

The obsessive interest side of aspergers means I spend a lot of money on my hobbies, or else I go nuts. Many people with disabilities simply require extra shit to bring them up to the standards of others. I have no doubt someone will mock this. Let me make it clear that I do not respect that person, at all, nor should I have to as their viewpoint has no basis in anything but an appeal to emotion.

Of course now, they're cutting the bus that actually goes there, another reason I have to move, to get on another route.

I do not believe cutbacks help get us out of a recession. Less spending is not going to get the economy flowing.

If I was simply unemployed, it would not be as much as an issue. But the fact is that I'm exactly the kind of person the welfare system was created for, and quite frankly it's hard to see the people taking blows at me as anything but pure scumbags because that's quite frankly what they are.

I can't think of many things that make you a worse person short of being illegal, than picking on someone who disabilities who dares stand up for themselves. If anything my anger is directed more at the Irish people than at the government. Irish people are so stuck in their smug little armchairs. There needs to be some discord and strife.

 

[Froog]

 

[Green Goblin]

i dont push paper, i stack it.

well say for example minimum wage here is 8 euro?? well if i put in a few extra hours a week and not ask for any more, then thats bringing minimum wage closer to 7, or 7.50. the reason ireland is losing jobs so fast is that the americans cant afford to pay our labour rates, in fact almost nobody can. if i effectively reduce my pay level, then i'm bringing myself into a competitive line with the rest of europe. the world doesnt owe us a living. and i agree with moose, if you want you can do an awful lot on the dole. we wont have a large influx of employment untill we brining our average wage down, no amount of protesting in the traditional sense will do that. unless thats the point.

Then you're bringing down the standard for the rest of us, sorry. Wages and benefits are high because of the high cost of living. If you want to work at something - work at reducing that, then wages and benefits can come down, making it more attractive for foreign investors. In many cases it's their own fault for charging such ridiculous prices to begin with. Honestly it's your kind of philosophy that got us here to begin with. The little guy should not be the one to take the hit.

"The world doesn't owe us a living", is your personal philosophy and quite frankly the one of a right wing twat. I believe every human being is entitled to some decent standard of living whether they can work or not. Ireland is not a place where there is anything much to do and the same mass apathy is the cause of that. You're talking to someone who can't work, not won't work in a time when there is no work to be found anyway. You're an unbelievable asshole, quite frankly.

Most people would prefer to work in a decent job given the chance which is why the world doesn't fall apart with the existence of a welfare system as protective as Swedens. Money to afford more than bargain basement of everything(much of my musical equipment is exactly this) and high social standard is attractive, not to mention some drive and direction. If people aren't working, there's generally a reason for it. I think the issue a lot of people have is that people aren't being forced into shitty jobs that are often just there for the sake of making jobs, that doesn't sit well with right wingers.