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Yeeks, who came up with Gigsmart? L. Ron Hubbard?
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Smog said:The only thing Gigsmart ever asked, is to support each other.
steptoe said:I see Tom is not posting to responses anymore theres only so much bullshit responses you can come with when someone is posting the truth until you inevitably run out of answers like Bunkead has
cassette/tape said:hey tom/gigsmartians:
now, correct me if i'm wrong, i was never a member of gigsmart or anything like it.
1) you get gigsmart POINTS for doing stuff, like going to gigs, playing gigs, giving gigsmart bands supports. in turn, if you get a lot of points this entitles you to move up higher in the gigsmart group. it also entitles you to discounts in some stores, such as Instrumental.
true?
2) to join gigsmart a person must do various initiation stuff, like helping out as a roadie at a gig, bring 10 people to a gig, or put up posters or hand out flyers. when they have done this sufficiently they are allowed play a gig, when they become a member and can start collecting points.
true?
3) a strategy is set up for each thing they do, such as a gig/release - they will ask members to do certain jobs like A) poster, b) promote or c) attend or d) provide gear. If a member doesn't comply they are docked points. if a person reaches 0 points they are asked to leave. for an album release each member gets points for every copy they buy.
True?
4) if you play a gigsmart support you must have a Gigsmart backdrop behind you. each gigsmart roadie must have a badge, or else will be docked points. if there is no banner gigsmart take no cut of the gig or give out any points.
true?
never a truer word spokedParabola said:I must agree with most of the posts on this thread. Gigsmart is a clique - plain and simple. They offer terrible gigs if you sit through some other terrible gigs and smile. Trev the moderator has a pineapple stuck up his ass, and because he can't get it out, has decided to act like a bollox on the forum. The truth of the matter is - if you've got talent, you shouldn't be with them. If you haven't got talent, well.. you know the rest.
cassette/tape said:hey tom/gigsmartians:
now, correct me if i'm wrong, i was never a member of gigsmart or anything like it.
1) you get gigsmart POINTS for doing stuff, like going to gigs, playing gigs, giving gigsmart bands supports. in turn, if you get a lot of points this entitles you to move up higher in the gigsmart group. it also entitles you to discounts in some stores, such as Instrumental.
true?
2) to join gigsmart a person must do various initiation stuff, like helping out as a roadie at a gig, bring 10 people to a gig, or put up posters or hand out flyers. when they have done this sufficiently they are allowed play a gig, when they become a member and can start collecting points.
true?
3) a strategy is set up for each thing they do, such as a gig/release - they will ask members to do certain jobs like A) poster, b) promote or c) attend or d) provide gear. If a member doesn't comply they are docked points. if a person reaches 0 points they are asked to leave. for an album release each member gets points for every copy they buy.
True?
4) if you play a gigsmart support you must have a Gigsmart backdrop behind you. each gigsmart roadie must have a badge, or else will be docked points. if there is no banner gigsmart take no cut of the gig or give out any points.
true?
Thomas Brunkard said:No. no, no but with a grain of truth. When Gigsmart started four years ago I had the idea of running a card whereby you earned the plum spots and all to motivate a bit of a team ethic. Obviously it was a bit ridiculous and unmanageable and was never initiated but it was mooted. In my defence I was 20 years old and was still learning how to do things. It is not indicative of how Gigsmart has ever worked.
That said, your post is indicative that the real big failing of Gigsmart is communicating what actually does go on. Suffice to say its not what is being mooted here and if Gigsmart is guilty of anything is that it doesn't efficiently communicate what it is and does well enough to those who would aways be expecting the worst.
Dude, if you're worried about how you 'communicate', maybe you should consider that what is being communicated is so rubbish in the first place: the general outward first impression that anyone would get is that Gigsmart is a mutual support network for deluded cock-rockers and shitty ska bands. Your gigs are joyless quid pro quo paybacks for bands who are 'involved' in the 'community'. Your site/forum is a collection of toe-curlingly embarassing rock clichés. Your attitude is guitar-shop-dude contempt and arrogance. The magazine you did was dire. Generally speaking, Gigsmart gives the impression that it is for dudes with beards and collections of really fancy guitar pedals.Thomas Brunkard said:No. no, no but with a grain of truth. When Gigsmart started four years ago I had the idea of running a card whereby you earned the plum spots and all to motivate a bit of a team ethic. Obviously it was a bit ridiculous and unmanageable and was never initiated but it was mooted. In my defence I was 20 years old and was still learning how to do things. It is not indicative of how Gigsmart has ever worked.
That said, your post is indicative that the real big failing of Gigsmart is communicating what actually does go on. Suffice to say its not what is being mooted here and if Gigsmart is guilty of anything is that it doesn't efficiently communicate what it is and does well enough to those who would aways be expecting the worst.
ITalkShite said:Dude, if you're worried about how you 'communicate', maybe you should consider that what is being communicated is so rubbish in the first place: the general outward first impression that anyone would get is that Gigsmart is a mutual support network for deluded cock-rockers and shitty ska bands. Your gigs are joyless quid pro quo paybacks for bands who are 'involved' in the 'community'. Your site/forum is a collection of toe-curlingly embarassing rock clichés. Your attitude is guitar-shop-dude contempt and arrogance. The magazine you did was dire. Generally speaking, Gigsmart gives the impression that it is for dudes with beards and collections of really fancy guitar pedals.
Judging someone off a public forum is a bit silly. Its aa bit like saying Thumped is a web site for music hating Nazis. Nonsense.Your site/forum is a collection of toe-curlingly embarassing rock clichés.
Your gigs are joyless quid pro quo paybacks for bands who are 'involved' in the 'community'.
The magazine you did was dire.
spady said:Jeez, I was gonna say nothing 'til I read this. Roxy, c'mon!?
In contrast to what you're saying here, my problems with GigSmart only arose when I came into contact with one of their more senior members.
I've seen T Brunkard and some of the others around... and some of them are actually alright... working really hard at what they do. But there's this whole other bitter side to some of the people and bands involved; it's really tragic.
I remember at one infamous Noise Party I was involved in, some dude from a GigSmart band coming up to me and trying to start a fight over something I'd said about a year previously. He was all like: "I know your name... and what you're like." It was funny stuff and then he got kicked out. This was not my only near-brush with GigSmart related violence.
The main problem I have with GigSmart is that you can't fucking say anything, full stop, about them or they get really fucking ant-sy. Dudes, this is why people wind you up.
The other problem is this...
If you are making people, who genuinely don't want to see a band, go to see them just to boost numbers... what is the point?
If you get to 17 in the Irish charts (woo-hoo!) by telling all your members to buy a single... what is the point?
IT IS NOT A REAL REFLECTION OF THE MUSIC'S IMPACT!
All you're doing is faking an impact, no?
So, the point of my essay on GigSmart is: Just chill will yiz? And try to appreciate that sometimes when people are saying something shit about you,
it might just be warranted and/or true.[.quote]
i.e. Steptoe's posts.
I insist that could not possibly true. As much as he is entitled to accuse I am entitled to defend.
I have invited him or anyone who felt hard done by to call me but no phone calls have been recieved. In reality this dude is someone with no real problem just a fetish for seeing a nice anti-GS thread on Thumped.
He can of course prove me wrong by talking to me like an adult (085-7189920 anytime, I'm only a harmless hippy, its ok.). If I find that he has been upset or damaged by something I did or did not do I will move to restore the balance. I can do nothing otherwise but ignore it as fecitious and malicous lies until such a calls is made.
Criticisms I will take and appreciate but as much they can be given I am entitled to reply to them and judge their fairness.
ITalkShite said:Are you Ron Healy?
Ok, give me five minutes here.
I never said anything about an 'official representation' - just my impression, and the impression of people I know. Also, as an aside, there's no need to immediately dismiss my impression as 'nonsense' - in fact, this is a pretty good example of the arrogance/contempt that myself and others have been referring to. But, whatever, each to their own.Thomas Brunkard said:Again nonsense and opinion there is no official representation that communicates that message. There is no bias towards any type of music. What you call 'a deluded cock rocker' is a classic retro band to someone else. If Gigsmart was in reality the all exclusive zone everyone makes it out to be it wouldn't have done gigs with such a diverse array of music.
Huh? I never said anything about a nazi attitude. It's just my impression. A lot of shitty bands, who take their 'careers in the music industry' waaaay too seriously, play shitty gigs with your name on it.Thomas Brunkard said:The nazi attitude would be to enforce a creative control over the bands that play Gigsmart gigs. A good band to me is one that plays the style their attempting to exist in well and one who acts professionally. What doesn't wash for you could go down well in front of a load of teenage metallers in Carlow or a load of hippy students in Galway.
Ok. I disagree, but fine.Thomas Brunkard said:Guitar-shop arrogance is presuming your taste of music is the only one worth listening to. I don't think Gigsmart has ever been guilty of that.
I'm talking about things like the 'groupie'/'roadie'/'rock star' method of rating posters on the Gigsmart board, and things like that. It's not so much what people say on the forum as the actual assumptions underlying it; they're pretty lame.Thomas Brunkard said:Judging someone off a public forum is a bit silly. Its aa bit like saying Thumped is a web site for music hating Nazis. Nonsense.
Again, dude, personal impression that happens to be widely shared. Another personal impression (also widely shared) is that you guys are hyper-defensive and very prickly. Chill out!Thomas Brunkard said:Well you've obviously been to them all and found them joyless so at that point my advice to you is don't go to anymore? Sorry there was nothing you liked in over 200 gigs.
Gigsmart were pretty heavily involved in ISH magazine, if I remember correctly. Gigsmart = ISH like Sinn Fein = IRA. Sorry if it wasn't 'officially' your thing, but it had all the usual suspects in it and that really crazy guy (Trev?) wrote a load of stuff for it. It was really really really crap.Thomas Brunkard said:Gigsmart never did a magazine. Sorry.
ITalkShite said:Right...
I never said anything about an 'official representation' - just my impression, and the impression of people I know. Also, as an aside, there's no need to immediately dismiss my impression as 'nonsense' - in fact, this is a pretty good example of the arrogance/contempt that myself and others have been referring to. But, whatever, each to their own.
Huh? I never said anything about a nazi attitude. It's just my impression. A lot of shitty bands, who take their 'careers in the music industry' waaaay too seriously, play shitty gigs with your name on it.
I'm talking about things like the 'groupie'/'roadie'/'rock star' method of rating posters on the Gigsmart board, and things like that. It's not so much what people say on the forum as the actual assumptions underlying it; they're pretty lame.
Again, dude, personal impression that happens to be widely shared. Another personal impression (also widely shared) is that you guys are hyper-defensive and very prickly. Chill out!
Gigsmart were pretty heavily involved in ISH magazine, if I remember correctly. Gigsmart = ISH like Sinn Fein = IRA. Sorry if it wasn't 'officially' your thing, but it had all the usual suspects in it and that really crazy guy (Trev?) wrote a load of stuff for it. It was really really really crap.
therecklessone said:Career Guidance dude/dudette: What do you want to be?
Young chap: A paedophile.
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