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how much are farms these days? like i mean, if was to say theres a farm, its say, about 60 feet deep and 40 feet thick from left to right. 300k? 400k?
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63p
have you heard anything about pints, by the way?
c0De_n1NjA
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fucken muckers have no quams coming to dublin and making shite of the place. as soon there is a road put near their gaffs, its whinge city. Fuck tara, look at the state of tara street? its covered in roads.
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my family had a farm CPO'd off them in the 60's. the whole thing. practically no compo.
p.s. the country is being made into a shithole.
the scramble for post objective 1 cash is has made any notion of a cohesive planning/development policy a pipe dream
p.s. the country is being made into a shithole.
the scramble for post objective 1 cash is has made any notion of a cohesive planning/development policy a pipe dream
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ICUH8N said:
no i havent heard shit. gimme a bell. i dont like talking in public.
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all proceeds go to Roadstone.
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Campaigner drops M3 motorway court challenge
03/10/2006 - 17:34:59
The path was today cleared for construction of the controversial M3 motorway close to the historic Hill of Tara after a long running Supreme Court challenge was dropped.
Heritage campaigner Vincent Salafia agreed to withdraw the case on the condition he would not be pursued for an estimated €600,000 costs incurred in a preceding High Court appeal.
He had taken the action against the Environment Minister, Attorney General, Meath County Council and the National Roads Authority.
But after the High Court dismissed his original challenge earlier this year, Mr Salafia, of the Save Tara Skryne Valley campaign, vowed to take the defendants to the Supreme Court – the highest court in the state.
He insisted his withdrawal opened the way for fresh legal challenges to the motorway development by other parties, one of which he claimed was underway.
Furthermore he said he was petitioning the EU to take legal action directly against Ireland for breaches of EU law.
The National Roads Authority has claimed delays in building the new road are costing one million euro a week and have reached €70m.
Fine Gael’s Road Safety spokesman Shane McEntee said the dropping of the challenge was welcome news for thousands of commuters who have to get up before dawn to get to work or college.
He claimed the majority of people in Meath want the motorway to go ahead.
“The M3 is a controversial project, but on balance it is essential for Meath and the country as a whole,” he said.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/10/03/story279480.html
03/10/2006 - 17:34:59
The path was today cleared for construction of the controversial M3 motorway close to the historic Hill of Tara after a long running Supreme Court challenge was dropped.
Heritage campaigner Vincent Salafia agreed to withdraw the case on the condition he would not be pursued for an estimated €600,000 costs incurred in a preceding High Court appeal.
He had taken the action against the Environment Minister, Attorney General, Meath County Council and the National Roads Authority.
But after the High Court dismissed his original challenge earlier this year, Mr Salafia, of the Save Tara Skryne Valley campaign, vowed to take the defendants to the Supreme Court – the highest court in the state.
He insisted his withdrawal opened the way for fresh legal challenges to the motorway development by other parties, one of which he claimed was underway.
Furthermore he said he was petitioning the EU to take legal action directly against Ireland for breaches of EU law.
The National Roads Authority has claimed delays in building the new road are costing one million euro a week and have reached €70m.
Fine Gael’s Road Safety spokesman Shane McEntee said the dropping of the challenge was welcome news for thousands of commuters who have to get up before dawn to get to work or college.
He claimed the majority of people in Meath want the motorway to go ahead.
“The M3 is a controversial project, but on balance it is essential for Meath and the country as a whole,” he said.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/10/03/story279480.html
PRESS STATEMENT
3 October 2006
Settlement of the Hill of Tara / M3 case
Today I am pleased to announce that a settlement has been formalised
before the Supreme Court in my case against the Minister for the
Environment, Heritage and Local Government; The Attorney General; Meath
County Council; and the National Roads Authority, regarding the
excavation and planned construction of the M3 motorway through the Hill
of Tara archaeological complex.
I have accepted an offer from the Defendants to settle these particular
proceedings after receiving legal advice from my Senior Counsel, Mr Ger
Hogan SC, and Mr Frank Callanan SC, that it was in the best interests
the campaign to preserve the integrity of the Tara complex. Thus, I
have withdrawn my Supreme Court appeal in return for their agreement
not to pursue me personally for costs, estimated in the region of
600,000 euros. The path is now clear for fresh legal challenges to the
M3 at Tara by independent third parties, one of which is understood to
be under way.
I took judicial review of the May 2005 decision of the Minister for the
Environment, Dick Roche, within the 8 week time limit, and was granted
leave by Justice Peart in July 2005. But the hearing was postponed by
the President of the High Court, Mr Justice Joseph Finnegan, in
anticipation of the then pending Supreme Court ruling in the
Carrickmines Castle / M50 case. Finally, the hearing went ahead
regardless in January 2006, after the Carrickmines ruling was postponed
for a third time.
From the very first day of trial my case sank into a procedural
quagmire, when Mr Justice Tom Smyth refused to accept affidavits and
threw them back over the bench at us. The case then unravelled when he
refused our motion for oral cross-examination of witnesses, and
critical evidence, was excluded. The excluded evidence went to the
heart of the case, and we were unable to legally prove that new
national monuments had been discovered.
Expert evidence from Discovery Programme Experts, Conor Newman, Joe
Fenwick and Edel Bhreatnach, alleged that many of the newly discovered
38 sites between Navan and Dunshaughin are national monuments because
they lie within the Tara complex. In addition, they alleged that 2
particular monuments, at Baronstown and Collierstown in the Tara/Skryne
valley, are national monuments in their own right. However, at the
commencement of proceedings they decided not to support an application
for an injunction, but rather let the matter go directly to full
hearing on the merits, in order not to hold up the M3 unnecessarily.
With these national monuments now under imminent threat of demolition,
and excavations due to end in early 2007, time is of the essence. The
best result we could have hoped for in the Supreme Court in my case was
a rehearing in the High Court, followed by another Supreme Court
appeal. However, any new Plaintiff would be able to make an
application for an injunction immediately.
The substance of my case will now be brought directly to the
Environment Directorate of the European Union and I am petitioning the
EU to take legal action directly against Ireland for breaches of EU
law. The evidence will show how the NRA has systematically underplayed
the extent and significance of the Tara archaeological complex, in
light of the fact that the Environmental Impact Assessment only
identified 5 out of 38 sites.
The campaign will cotinue in earnest and I will remain Legal Affairs
spokesperson for TaraWatch and continue to seek a political solution,
as well as a legal solution, in light of the upcoming General Election
and the fact that 70% of voters surveyed last year wanted the M3
rerouted.
TaraWatch has recently been contacted by the World Monuments Fund, a
New York-based non-profit organization dedicated to preserving and
protecting endangered ancient and historic sites around the world. They
want us to make a submission with a view to putting the Tara complex on
the list of World’s 100 Most Endangered Sites list. We are also in
direct contact with Europa Nostra, the administrators of European
Heritage Week, who are considering launching an investigation into the
Tara affair.
TaraWatch will also participate in a series of public demonstrations,
the first of which will be held in Navan on Saturday, 4th November,
starting at 3pm. We are also producing an album with bands like The
Waterboys, Paddy Casey and Kila having offered songs.
On a personal level, I took this case because I truly believe the
current M3 plan to be illegal, immoral and unethical and I still hold
that view. The route of the M3 is ‘the fruit of the poisonous tree’, to
use a legal expression. The roots of that tree are deeply embedded in
Leinster House, where later today the Irish people will be officially
informed, in essence, that black is in fact white.
The branches of this 'tree' extend well into County Meath, where recent
by-election campaign saw the withdrawal of the Fianna Fail candidate
after it was disclosed that he co-owned land with Frank Dunlop outside
Dunshaughlin, not far from the M3. This was the same candidate that
informed RTE’s Prime Time that nothing had been discovered by the NRA
at Tara except “pots and pans”. An article in Ireland on Sunday called
‘Tara Tycoons’, (10-09-05) shows how major Fianna Fail contributors
stand to make millions from developing lands in and around the 50 acre
junction planned for Blundelstown, 1,000 metres from the crest of the
Hill of Tara.
Recently, the NRA and indeed the Taoiseach have followed this lead and
falsely and maliciously alleged that my case has cost the taxpayer 70
to 150 million euros in delays, as well as the lives of accident
victims who had to drive on the old road. The obvious truth is that my
case has caused no delay in the M3, as excavations are not even due to
end until early 2007. There has been no delay in construction and no
injunction in place, by my own design.
Finally, I did ask that this matter be handed over to binding
arbitration, which would entail an independent third party assessment
by a mutually acceptable qualified archaeological consultancy company.
All legal consequences would flow from the determination of the core
issues of law and fact: (a) Does the M3 pass through the national
monument of Tara? and (b) Have new national monuments been discovered?
This would be quickest and most effective means of bringing finality to
the issue and certainty to the M3 project. The authorities rejected
this proposal, which means that fresh legal proceedings are likely,
along with a dramatic escalation of protests.
There are many other problems with the M3, besides the purely heritage
issues. The current route is a waste of taxpayers money because it
actually veers 3.5 km off path between Navan and Dunshaughlin to go
through the Tara complex, and crosses the N3 in two places within 8
miles, where there is no population density. If it were to go 3.5 km
westwards instead it would not need any N3 crossovers and would service
Trim, as well as saving approximately 50 million euros.
While TaraWatch is mainly concerned with saving Tara and is not an
anti-motorway lobby, we do note that the Al Gore film, 'An Inconvenient
Truth' shows that global warming is happening much faster than we
imagined and that drastic measures are necessary to reverse the trend.
The M3 represents 1970's technology in terms of fuel efficiency. Even
the NRA itself is touting 2+1 schemes as much better options in terms
of safety and efficiency per taxpayer euro. Meanwhile, there is no
sign of the Navan to Dublin railway being opened, giving commuters an
opportunity to get out of their cars and avoid the inevitable traffic
jam at Blanchardstown, which will happen even if the M3 is built as
planned.
Sooner or later this Government, or the next, must accept the
inconvenient truth that the approval of the M3 route is one of the
worst ever planning decisions in Ireland, and that it must be revisited
in light of current knowledge and common sense.
ENDS
Vincent Salafia
3 October 2006
Settlement of the Hill of Tara / M3 case
Today I am pleased to announce that a settlement has been formalised
before the Supreme Court in my case against the Minister for the
Environment, Heritage and Local Government; The Attorney General; Meath
County Council; and the National Roads Authority, regarding the
excavation and planned construction of the M3 motorway through the Hill
of Tara archaeological complex.
I have accepted an offer from the Defendants to settle these particular
proceedings after receiving legal advice from my Senior Counsel, Mr Ger
Hogan SC, and Mr Frank Callanan SC, that it was in the best interests
the campaign to preserve the integrity of the Tara complex. Thus, I
have withdrawn my Supreme Court appeal in return for their agreement
not to pursue me personally for costs, estimated in the region of
600,000 euros. The path is now clear for fresh legal challenges to the
M3 at Tara by independent third parties, one of which is understood to
be under way.
I took judicial review of the May 2005 decision of the Minister for the
Environment, Dick Roche, within the 8 week time limit, and was granted
leave by Justice Peart in July 2005. But the hearing was postponed by
the President of the High Court, Mr Justice Joseph Finnegan, in
anticipation of the then pending Supreme Court ruling in the
Carrickmines Castle / M50 case. Finally, the hearing went ahead
regardless in January 2006, after the Carrickmines ruling was postponed
for a third time.
From the very first day of trial my case sank into a procedural
quagmire, when Mr Justice Tom Smyth refused to accept affidavits and
threw them back over the bench at us. The case then unravelled when he
refused our motion for oral cross-examination of witnesses, and
critical evidence, was excluded. The excluded evidence went to the
heart of the case, and we were unable to legally prove that new
national monuments had been discovered.
Expert evidence from Discovery Programme Experts, Conor Newman, Joe
Fenwick and Edel Bhreatnach, alleged that many of the newly discovered
38 sites between Navan and Dunshaughin are national monuments because
they lie within the Tara complex. In addition, they alleged that 2
particular monuments, at Baronstown and Collierstown in the Tara/Skryne
valley, are national monuments in their own right. However, at the
commencement of proceedings they decided not to support an application
for an injunction, but rather let the matter go directly to full
hearing on the merits, in order not to hold up the M3 unnecessarily.
With these national monuments now under imminent threat of demolition,
and excavations due to end in early 2007, time is of the essence. The
best result we could have hoped for in the Supreme Court in my case was
a rehearing in the High Court, followed by another Supreme Court
appeal. However, any new Plaintiff would be able to make an
application for an injunction immediately.
The substance of my case will now be brought directly to the
Environment Directorate of the European Union and I am petitioning the
EU to take legal action directly against Ireland for breaches of EU
law. The evidence will show how the NRA has systematically underplayed
the extent and significance of the Tara archaeological complex, in
light of the fact that the Environmental Impact Assessment only
identified 5 out of 38 sites.
The campaign will cotinue in earnest and I will remain Legal Affairs
spokesperson for TaraWatch and continue to seek a political solution,
as well as a legal solution, in light of the upcoming General Election
and the fact that 70% of voters surveyed last year wanted the M3
rerouted.
TaraWatch has recently been contacted by the World Monuments Fund, a
New York-based non-profit organization dedicated to preserving and
protecting endangered ancient and historic sites around the world. They
want us to make a submission with a view to putting the Tara complex on
the list of World’s 100 Most Endangered Sites list. We are also in
direct contact with Europa Nostra, the administrators of European
Heritage Week, who are considering launching an investigation into the
Tara affair.
TaraWatch will also participate in a series of public demonstrations,
the first of which will be held in Navan on Saturday, 4th November,
starting at 3pm. We are also producing an album with bands like The
Waterboys, Paddy Casey and Kila having offered songs.
On a personal level, I took this case because I truly believe the
current M3 plan to be illegal, immoral and unethical and I still hold
that view. The route of the M3 is ‘the fruit of the poisonous tree’, to
use a legal expression. The roots of that tree are deeply embedded in
Leinster House, where later today the Irish people will be officially
informed, in essence, that black is in fact white.
The branches of this 'tree' extend well into County Meath, where recent
by-election campaign saw the withdrawal of the Fianna Fail candidate
after it was disclosed that he co-owned land with Frank Dunlop outside
Dunshaughlin, not far from the M3. This was the same candidate that
informed RTE’s Prime Time that nothing had been discovered by the NRA
at Tara except “pots and pans”. An article in Ireland on Sunday called
‘Tara Tycoons’, (10-09-05) shows how major Fianna Fail contributors
stand to make millions from developing lands in and around the 50 acre
junction planned for Blundelstown, 1,000 metres from the crest of the
Hill of Tara.
Recently, the NRA and indeed the Taoiseach have followed this lead and
falsely and maliciously alleged that my case has cost the taxpayer 70
to 150 million euros in delays, as well as the lives of accident
victims who had to drive on the old road. The obvious truth is that my
case has caused no delay in the M3, as excavations are not even due to
end until early 2007. There has been no delay in construction and no
injunction in place, by my own design.
Finally, I did ask that this matter be handed over to binding
arbitration, which would entail an independent third party assessment
by a mutually acceptable qualified archaeological consultancy company.
All legal consequences would flow from the determination of the core
issues of law and fact: (a) Does the M3 pass through the national
monument of Tara? and (b) Have new national monuments been discovered?
This would be quickest and most effective means of bringing finality to
the issue and certainty to the M3 project. The authorities rejected
this proposal, which means that fresh legal proceedings are likely,
along with a dramatic escalation of protests.
There are many other problems with the M3, besides the purely heritage
issues. The current route is a waste of taxpayers money because it
actually veers 3.5 km off path between Navan and Dunshaughlin to go
through the Tara complex, and crosses the N3 in two places within 8
miles, where there is no population density. If it were to go 3.5 km
westwards instead it would not need any N3 crossovers and would service
Trim, as well as saving approximately 50 million euros.
While TaraWatch is mainly concerned with saving Tara and is not an
anti-motorway lobby, we do note that the Al Gore film, 'An Inconvenient
Truth' shows that global warming is happening much faster than we
imagined and that drastic measures are necessary to reverse the trend.
The M3 represents 1970's technology in terms of fuel efficiency. Even
the NRA itself is touting 2+1 schemes as much better options in terms
of safety and efficiency per taxpayer euro. Meanwhile, there is no
sign of the Navan to Dublin railway being opened, giving commuters an
opportunity to get out of their cars and avoid the inevitable traffic
jam at Blanchardstown, which will happen even if the M3 is built as
planned.
Sooner or later this Government, or the next, must accept the
inconvenient truth that the approval of the M3 route is one of the
worst ever planning decisions in Ireland, and that it must be revisited
in light of current knowledge and common sense.
ENDS
Vincent Salafia
Ha I got that, It was dropped on the doorstep and the bell rang. I went out and thought it was a giant firework.
was sorely disapointed. sorely
mr pharmacist!!!!1
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just got my iodine tablets this morning
Raudi Raus Schinkel
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I think bring back the railway. the project archaeologist from meath coco said that they have found loads of stuff out there since the scheme began. road will be further from Tara than the existing road so don't believe the hype. Decentralisation cant be achieved without proper roads anyway, so bring back the train and let people live in dublin in rented accomodation, sort out the housing problem by not allowing investment properties(considering half the country owns an investment property and home ownership is so important in Ireland,no political leader is ever gonna go for this) or move all the people who don't work in the city out to the burbs, thus freeing up property. whichever option, someone won't be happy and some leader is always gonna be called a prick or Nazi or sumthan
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some good thinkin in there
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It will have no affect on people living in Dunboyne,Dunshauglin or Clonee or Batterstown or any of the other villages to the west of Meath.
What will happen now is more traffic in places like Dunshaughlin from people trying to commute accross to the motorway.
The rail line definetly needs to be reopened to Dunshaughlin and Navan.I agree there.
The Blanchardstown bypass eg the N3 has traffic backed all the way from the M50 roundabout to the top of the dual carriageway in the morning.You sit there on a stretch of road for 45 minutes to an hour.Without traffic its a 5-7 minute drive down the bypass once you leave the single lane N3.
If the rail line was open I think it would be signifigantly easier to navigate as most commuters are heading for the city centre.
RE- Decentralisation-isnt this moving jobs to different parts of the country so people dont have to commute??
RSJ
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Ha, a year later, still no cash. Cunts.
Raudi Raus Schinkel
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yeah i hated livin in blanch . it was a cunt gettin in and out to work. I am glad i live in town now, but i pity any poor fucker who lives in navan, especially with a family-biggest social problem of our time for sure.
to decentralise okay thats fine but civil servants are only a small portion of the people in Ireland. for Irish corporate workers, you need roads for commerce. better keep them corporations in dublin if you don't want roads, then government gets blamed for not supplying employment for country folk.just don't like card-carrying lefties who are only pointin the finger in one direction-not very helpful to solve the big social issues of our time
to decentralise okay thats fine but civil servants are only a small portion of the people in Ireland. for Irish corporate workers, you need roads for commerce. better keep them corporations in dublin if you don't want roads, then government gets blamed for not supplying employment for country folk.just don't like card-carrying lefties who are only pointin the finger in one direction-not very helpful to solve the big social issues of our time
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nevermind decentralisatin,we need to build up not out.
and then theres the bastards using the bus lane like an extra lane.
Where are the traffic cops when you need them?
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