mr pharmacist!!!!1
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i love that bill hicks sketch regarding pro-lifers.
sorry, off the topic but it s quite funny
link?
it should have been dealt with better i-m-o.
imho
LOL
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i love that bill hicks sketch regarding pro-lifers.
sorry, off the topic but it s quite funny
it should have been dealt with better i-m-o.
it seems mad to me that a non-viable foetus can have legal representation. and i don't mean to be heartless.
i understand the buzz with giving the best argument from a legal point of view but to me it seems highly relevant to the case what condition the foetus was in, not least because it was the reason that miss d was seeking an abortion in the first instance. the problem with points of law is that they ignore the personal circumstances of the people at the centre of the case.
I would tend to agree on both points. The law on the issue does seem to be terribly messy.
Do you think if the foetus had been viable that it should have had legal representation?
This doesn't really answer your question, but in this case, if the foetus had been viable, she was planning to have the baby.
Do you think if the foetus had been viable that it should have had legal representation?
The best thing to come out of this fiasco is the slogan: "Get your rosaries off our ovaries"..|..|
personally no. but it would have made slightly more sense in the context of current irish constitutional law. mind you, if the judge had taken the same route in his consideration (focusing on the right to travel, rather than the right to life of the unborn) then it wouldn't have mattered.
which throws up the interesting notion of whether or not the fact that the foetus was unviable effected how the high court judge considered the case. ie - would the judge have excersised his personal opinions on abortion (whatever they are) had the foetus been healthy?
i find this interesting because the legal system is supposed to be this monolith of objective truth where judges merely apply the law to cases according to written law, precedent, and legal procedures. personally i think that's a load of bollocks and is pretty obvious when you read judgements how judges' personal views effect how the case is heard and considered.
reminds me of mc dev:The best thing to come out of this fiasco is the slogan: "Get your rosaries off our ovaries".
I mean, if it's "Equal regard for the life of the mother", then how come it's always weighted in favour of the foetus?
Well the law does provide for abortions in cases when the mother's life is at risk so you could say that in the cases where it's the mother's life verses the foetus' life then the law is weighted in favour of the mother because then it's their call. In cases where there are no potential health risks to the mother or that they're a suicide risk than that particular phrase is obviously favouring the foetus becasue then only one "life" is at stake.
It took me years to figure out what my stance on abortion was as the woman who gave birth to me was an single, barely 17 year old, girl in a country which prohibits abortion and I always wondered if I'd be around if she had had the option available to her.
Not that it's justification to ban abortion,
No certainly not, and thoughout all my years of fence sitting I don't think I ever fell into the pro-choice camp but I only figured out how I felt about it a few years back when I got involved with a much older woman and she told me that she had had 2 abortions and when faced with the reality of that as opposed to the wanky abstract thinking about it that I'd been doing I found myself not having a problem with her.
Had my "mother" kept me I don't think it would have been such an issue for me but the fact that I was put up for adoption gave me loads of "what-if's"
The best letter of all of them was from an Irish woman who had gotten pregnant by accident while living in the UK. She went to a clinic and had a consultation, then, if you are local, they send you home and let you think it over for a couple of days. She actually ended up having the child in the end, and never regretted it. She pointed out that because if you travel from Ireland, it's all done quite quickly, and you have to be so concerned about how much time you have, it gives you less time to really think about it.
the woman who gave birth to me was an single, barely 17 year old, girl in a country which prohibits abortion and I always wondered if I'd be around if she had had the option available to her.
I have a pro-choice stance but as you know, same birth circumstances for me too, my birth mother was 17 too.
I often wonder what could have happened.
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