Meeting People / Aspergers (1 Viewer)

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i very much agree with what sarah has very well said above.

green goblin, i have a few comments in response to what you say. now, please do not take any of this personally, the very last thing i want to do is come across as being confrontational or patronising. i have not met you, so my responses are only to what you have typed here, i'm not going to make any judgements on your personality. :)

what you say would seem to display a fairly narrow view of people and a very restrictive and rigid perception of what you want. i do understand where that can come from, many people at a particular point in their lives have the same manner of viewing the world. in fact, all beliefs that people have are subject to a perceptual trait called "confirmation bias". basically, we look for all the things that support our beliefs and we tend to ignore those things that disprove our beliefs. this goes for all forms of belief, its a universal human trait which can be negative or positive depending on it. as a general example, people who think the world is shit will tend to pay a lot of attention and attribute a lot of significance to those crappy experiences that everyone encounters (in extreme cases, i really do believe that bitterness can poision people who let themselves get taken over by it). likewise, people who are genuinely upbeat and optimistic don't read much significance into negative occurances.

it may seem very obvious, but it is a very important thing to bear in mind. if you have a very narrow view of the world, you will find the world is difficult and disappointing. try to broaden your view, the world is not black and white, it's colourful. in this metaphor, colour-blindness is absolutely a matter of choice. people who are very successful in communication and interaction have an ability to pick up on how different people say and do things in their own individual ways, and then adapt their own behaviour to match them, and so create rapport. people who can strike us as very charming and likeable do this process unconsciously, but it's not something that is hard-wired into people, it's a learned experience, and it's developed through being open-minded and respectful of that fact that individuals do things in individual ways.

another thing which may seem rather obvious is that people are not static, personality does change, and nobody is either totally introverted or extroverted. these notions - like confidence and motivation - are not concrete, they are a matter of degree and change considerably depending on one's own perception of one's self and situations. and again, if you have a narrow and rigid perception of your own self-image and of other people, you can expect to find it difficult to relate to others.

because have you ever thought about the difference between what you think you want and what would really truly fulfill you if you were to find it right in front of you? you would then know the difference between those two things. if you can ask yourself that question, it's quite profound and it's worth thinking about. typically, as you get older you generally have a better understanding of the difference, but when you are a teenager you have very fixed ideas about what you think you want. (and i'm only being mostly literal in talking about age, after all, i have met 18 year olds who are absolutely wise and clued-in, and also know some remarkably childish people in their sixties ;-) )

there is a habit in our western culture to define ourselves according to what music we listen to, what books we read, what pictures we have on our walls, what clothes we wear (in fact, for many young adults the music one listens to is a form of clothing in a sense). while all these things undoubtedly feed into our thoughts, it's how we react that says more about who we really are. i'm still always surprised - for some reason - when people get upset that i say i dont like their favourite band or whatever. i mean i know that they would probably hate some of the stuff i listen to. does it have to be such a big deal? who cares? ones own perference and opinions on music / film / etc need not be an inherently personal issue when it comes to disagreements with people. i genuinely see no difference between someone who has bought every dead can dance record and someone who has bought every sugababes record. i've had girlfriends who absolutely loathed some of the stuff i listen to, who themselves might enjoy films or albums that i found excrusiating. that fact had absolutely no bearing on any of those relationships. indeed, it's true of all my closest friends - and even people i closely work with on music! - that both they and i enjoy certain things that each other cannot abide. it doesn't matter firstly because it's never a personal issue, and secondly because they and i would have fairly diverse tastes.

honestly, none of these perferences make the slightest bit of difference when it comes to charisma, charm and personability.

also, i have met people who have extremely similar tastes to my own, but who i thought were total arseholes.

if you insist weeding out prospective companions on the basis of what music you like, i can absolutely guarantee you that you will be disappointed.

the world is great because there are so many vibrantly different things out there. get out and embrace new experiences. it's like travel, in a way, it's the journey as much as the destination.
 
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I don't think it's about categorising people, I think it's about being able to relate someone and if I actually feel anything for another person. There was a time when I had no discerning tastes at all, and I ended up consistantly hurt, so maybe that had something to do with it.



edit: enough of the long posts reckon it's been said well enough!
 
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I sincerely doubt that it's all down to what you wear that people haven't seemed to want to get to know you. Not that many people are that shallow.

Maybe not what I wear, more down to my overall mannerisms due to aspergers et. all. Not that everyone with aspergers has to have huge trouble making friends, but for a lot of people, it's easy to put others off.

what you say would seem to display a fairly narrow view of people and a very restrictive and rigid perception of what you want

This is just really a presumption though, if there was someone I really got into then I wouldn't really care about the others stuff, but there isn't.

I really think that there are too many cookie cutter responses for this, and people don't really entertain the idea that common "wisdom" might not apply to everyone.

there is a habit in our western culture to define ourselves according to what music we listen to, what books we read, what pictures we have on our walls, what clothes we wear (in fact, for many young adults the music one listens to is a form of clothing in a sense). while all these things undoubtedly feed into our thoughts, it's how we react that says more about who we really are. i'm still always surprised - for some reason - when people get upset that i say i dont like their favourite band or whatever.

I don't think most people do this, I think because this a forum focused around people with interest in music you'd experience it a lot more. People in the mainstream don't pay any real regard to music.

I don't think it's a bad thing to define someone by their interests, as it's better than shallow shit like stereotyping people based on their gender, sexuality, nationality, race, etc.

Most of my friends are already people with whom I don't share common interests, and that makes me feel lonely enough as it is - it's not fair that people are insisting to me, it doesn't matter. I think everyone is different and people have a habit of projecting one set of social skills onto people instead of trying to understand where they're coming from.

I really don't feel like I'm being listened to here. Most "teen rebel" types that I feel I'm being pigeonholed as wouldn't make the above kind of realisations.
 
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Green Goblin, dude!

Never limit yourself. Deciding that you only like one type of person is like deciding you only like one genre of music, you'll drive yourself and everyone around you insane.

Making friends isn't easy, it takes effort, and it doesn't always work out, but that's not the end of the world. The more people you know the more people you will meet, and some of them will be people you'll be friends with, some won't. And who knows, you might just accidentally meet someone that you'll end up being more than friends with.

One thing you definitely need to do is stop looking in such a focused way. It's ok not to have a Best Friend, it's ok not to have a girlfriend/boyfriend, but we're social animals and we do need people, friends, acquaintances, whatever.
Easy for you to say, Squiggle.
GG, I suggest Facebook. They're "scene kids" on Myspace.
 
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Facebook is difficult to meet new people on, though. At least myspace is relatively easy.

The thing with Myspace is though, that it's still difficult to find people with common interests - searching by interests still ignores country, which pisses me off since I know it'd be a simple SQL JOIN operation to add the functionality.

I don't think people understand that I'm not interested in socialising the way "Most" people do whether they call themselves alternative or not, I usually only have one drink, I'm not too good in loud environments/pubs and I'm not good on smalltalk. I know for myself I get on best when I can chat with people with common interests. Even when I was with some old friends on my birthday, I still felt a little crap because they kept having conversations about bands and books and movies I didn't know.

It's not inherently wrong to suggest what might be right for other people, sometimes it applies, but if you're not even going to consider individual circumstance that's when the advice becomes annoying and patronising.
 
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That's not really practical for me at the moment I'm afraid for any number of reasons.
 
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Facebook is difficult to meet new people on, though. At least myspace is relatively easy.

The thing with Myspace is though, that it's still difficult to find people with common interests - searching by interests still ignores country, which pisses me off since I know it'd be a simple SQL JOIN operation to add the functionality.

I don't think people understand that I'm not interested in socialising the way "Most" people do whether they call themselves alternative or not, I usually only have one drink, I'm not too good in loud environments/pubs and I'm not good on smalltalk. I know for myself I get on best when I can chat with people with common interests. Even when I was with some old friends on my birthday, I still felt a little crap because they kept having conversations about bands and books and movies I didn't know.

It's not inherently wrong to suggest what might be right for other people, sometimes it applies, but if you're not even going to consider individual circumstance that's when the advice becomes annoying and patronising.


Right we're around the same age so heres just a few suggestions...

Get fucked drunk or whatever. I don't think i've ever started a relationship with some one with out meeting them in this manner. Really helps if your shy! Not healthy but sher it gets the job done.


Look on boards.ie (ughhh) or google things that your interested in to see if theres any groups meeting in your area, like comic book meetings or something. Never done this myself but... just go... just start some idle chat with some one you like the look of....

"its my first time here, gah, kinda nervous, everyones nice I hope....?"

Not unless they are a complete arsehole they're not going to tell you to fuck off. Hopefully they will introduce you to other people. Next time you arrive, go over to the same person or people you've been introduced to and go

"your such and such from last time, and just hang out with them". Then over the weeks you'll just eventually be able to say "hey wanna hang out with me sometime".

I would suggest college soc's but i'm still laughing about my friend being told to stop using his college LGBT as a dating shop all because he turned down the head of it.

Don't be so picky, just talk to people. Have you never seen someone and thought, not my type but then you talk to them and they start becoming beautiful. I love when that has happened.
 
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This is just really a presumption though, if there was someone I really got into then I wouldn't really care about the others stuff, but there isn't.

well, to be honest you did state earlier that you could only be interested in women who listened to a certain type of music, had specific interests and described them in a way which at the very least implied a particular dress sense. that was something i was responding to in particular. please know i am honestly not having a go or anything, as i have stated before i intend no offense nor judgements on your character.

I really think that there are too many cookie cutter responses for this, and people don't really entertain the idea that common "wisdom" might not apply to everyone.

it's a good idea to consider and bear in mind the fact that everybody - and especially young adults - have insecurities, and i can say that these are genuinely a lot more universal than one might think.

here are some examples (among many) off the top of my head : at times feeling alienated, sometimes lonely, disappointed by cliquey behaviour, feeling detached even when at a party, concerned about facades and who the real you is, your relationship with your parents under some strain (one of them is not around or at the very least emotionally absent -you wish to remain fond of them but recent issues are causing frustration for you : in fact they seem unaware of your thoughts on the matter), prone to bouts of self examination, there were issues with you adjusting to your sexuality, you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing your self to others... i could go on. the interesting thing is that the majority of people in their early twenties will identify with most of those things.

although your insecurities feel totally personal, the majority of people of your age share a great number of them.

I don't think most people do this, I think because this a forum focused around people with interest in music you'd experience it a lot more. People in the mainstream don't pay any real regard to music.

i hear music blaring out of people's cars all the time, i see tons of people with ipods on buses and trains. there is regard being paid to music by people all over the place... and i do think that for some - but by no means a small number - young adults music defines who they are. whether it's robbie williams or cradle of filth, its the same thing going on.

I don't think it's a bad thing to define someone by their interests, as it's better than shallow shit like stereotyping people based on their gender, sexuality, nationality, race, etc.

i would say that as time goes on you will find that what people are really like as regards being decent and interesting human beings isn't dependant on their interests.

Most of my friends are already people with whom I don't share common interests, and that makes me feel lonely enough as it is - it's not fair that people are insisting to me, it doesn't matter. I think everyone is different and people have a habit of projecting one set of social skills onto people instead of trying to understand where they're coming from.

with all respect, i dont think people are misunderstanding you. you might feel lonely, but you are not alone. and it does matter to you, but in a way you have decided that it matters, and you perceive and behave according to this. yes, everyone is different to many degrees, but there are basic things about human interaction and experience that can be generally applied.



I don't think people understand that I'm not interested in socialising the way "Most" people do whether they call themselves alternative or not, I usually only have one drink, I'm not too good in loud environments/pubs and I'm not good on smalltalk. I know for myself I get on best when I can chat with people with common interests. Even when I was with some old friends on my birthday, I still felt a little crap because they kept having conversations about bands and books and movies I didn't know.

a great number of people dislike loud environments and / or dont drink. they are certainly not the primary places for meeting people or socialising. and also a great number of people strongly dislike smalltalk.

It's not inherently wrong to suggest what might be right for other people, sometimes it applies, but if you're not even going to consider individual circumstance that's when the advice becomes annoying and patronising.

i really have considered the individual circumstances you have stated on here, as i am responding to the content.
 
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hear music blaring out of people's cars all the time, i see tons of people with ipods on buses and trains. there is regard being paid to music by people all over the place... and i do think that for some - but by no means a small number - young adults music defines who they are. whether it's robbie williams or cradle of filth, its the same thing going on.

I feel very strongly about this actually. As a friend said, to some people, music is just background noise they want or need to have on at particular times. They could have almost anything playing as long as it's easy to liste to.

I dislike when people make out fans of particular genres to be more narrow minded. It annoys me when some people make themselves out to be great because they listen to "everything". But people with no discerning states just aren't into their music enough to care a lot of the time.

I listen to all kinds of different music even if I'd state certain genres off the bat - I hate claiming I listen to "everything", because it's not true. I try not to hate any music, but if I liked everything, my taste would be shallow.

I think that's the crux of the argument though, people get obsessed with "Labels" being so horrible failing to realise they don't have to define to begin with, just help describe.

The way I view romance, relationships or whatever is going to be different to other people. Some degree of musical overlap is necessary for me.

To me, its like I'm asking for a woman and you're recommending a man - I wouldn't be "picky" for going for a woman, or small minded, there are certain things I look for in a partner that's not just based on desperate lust.
 
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with all respect, i dont think people are misunderstanding you. you might feel lonely, but you are not alone. and it does matter to you, but in a way you have decided that it matters, and you perceive and behave according to this. yes, everyone is different to many degrees, but there are basic things about human interaction and experience that can be generally applied.
That's not really fair. Many people feel lonely or misunderstood, it doesn't mean they feel lonely or misunderstood for the same reasons.

By definition, having Aspergers, my loneliness is not going to be the same as other people's loneliness, and that's before you add actual individual factors.

The same advice simply does not in most cases apply to me because of that alone, and people need to learn that.

but in a way you have decided that it matters, and you perceive and behave according to this.[/quote

Also, this is another presumption. I do not remember conciously deciding this, ever. I dislike this reasoning as it can just as easily be applied to sexuality.

I'm lucky enough to have figured out what kind of people I tend to be attracted to - it doesn't mean I'm not giving certain people a chance, I'm just oberving my own behaviour.

a great number of people dislike loud environments and / or dont drink. they are certainly not the primary places for meeting people or socialising. and also a great number of people strongly dislike smalltalk.
So where do these people meet exactly? It's not very helpful. From what I can tell, people go out with people they know from college/school/work.

i really have considered the individual circumstances you have stated on here, as i am responding to the content.
I don't believe you have. I don't see where any of the advice you're given is specifically focused at me and not just lonely people in general.
 
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That's not really fair. Many people feel lonely or misunderstood, it doesn't mean they feel lonely or misunderstood for the same reasons.

By definition, having Aspergers, my loneliness is not going to be the same as other people's loneliness, and that's before you add actual individual factors.

The same advice simply does not in most cases apply to me because of that alone, and people need to learn that.

Also, this is another presumption. I do not remember conciously deciding this, ever. I dislike this reasoning as it can just as easily be applied to sexuality.

I'm lucky enough to have figured out what kind of people I tend to be attracted to - it doesn't mean I'm not giving certain people a chance, I'm just oberving my own behaviour.

So where do these people meet exactly? It's not very helpful. From what I can tell, people go out with people they know from college/school/work.

I don't believe you have. I don't see where any of the advice you're given is specifically focused at me and not just lonely people in general.

Just curious: is there any advice or help that anyone could give you that you wouldn't summarily reject?
 
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The way I view romance, relationships or whatever is going to be different to other people. Some degree of musical overlap is necessary for me.

To me, its like I'm asking for a woman and you're recommending a man - I wouldn't be "picky" for going for a woman, or small minded, there are certain things I look for in a partner that's not just based on desperate lust.

Are you hinting that we're all about desperate lust on here so?

Thats a great view to have. No more help from me.
 
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By definition, having Aspergers, my loneliness is not going to be the same as other people's loneliness, and that's before you add actual individual factors.

Thats understandable but dont be letting it get in the way of things. For all you know lots of people on here have something about them that means their relationships with people arnt what they are usually meant to be like. Don't be afraid of what people of think because of aspergers either, don't be afraid to let your gaurd down..

Ok thats some more of a view... but meh.
 

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