Leaving the Catholic Church - countmeout.ie (1 Viewer)

[MilanPan!c]

Well, you probably have to believe all the stuff that they say it's heretical not to believe in.

Sure, sure, but considering that Catholics beliefs have changed over the decades, what does that mean exactly?

Some catholics think that at some point the very non-biblical notion of purgatory will be chucked out, so if it IS, at some point, will catholics that die now NOT believing in purgatory go to heaven, etc., etc., etc.

So to that end, and because organised religion at the very best of times is a crapshoot on someone else's beliefs about what religion is, I'd say the ONLY thing that ties it all together is a personal belief in some sort of god or gods.

 

[Unicron]

at some point, will catholics that die now NOT believing in purgatory go to heaven, etc., etc., etc.

Well, obviously not since neither of those things exist.

 

[MilanPan!c]

Well, obviously not since neither of those things exist.

Then how do you explain Heaven 17!?!

 

[Lili Marlene]

Sure, sure, but considering that Catholics beliefs have changed over the decades, what does that mean exactly?

It's what the church in Rome considers moving with the times.

Some catholics think that at some point the very non-biblical notion of purgatory will be chucked out, so if it IS, at some point, will catholics that die now NOT believing in purgatory go to heaven, etc., etc., etc.

Whatever Rome says at the time will be the case. They have good scholars who will decide this for us.

So to that end, and because organised religion at the very best of times is a crapshoot on someone else's beliefs about what religion is, I'd say the ONLY thing that ties it all together is a personal belief in some sort of god or gods.

That's not what the Rome says. Not at all. You heathen.

 

[MilanPan!c]

It's what the church in Rome considers moving with the times.

Whatever Rome says at the time will be the case. They have good scholars who will decide this for us.

That's not what the Rome says. Not at all. You heathen.

That's not what Rome says TODAY... give it a few weeks..

 

[Lili Marlene]

That's not what Rome says TODAY... give it a few weeks..

What's your point? You're lucky you're even ALLOWED read the bible in english.

 

[MilanPan!c]

What's your point? You're lucky you're even ALLOWED read the bible in english.

WHAT?!?! They've got it in English now?!?!

Fuck me.

 

[rettucs]

Whatever Rome says at the time will be the case. They have good scholars who will decide this for us.

that should be a laughable statement but sadly its actually true. I never heard about this Vatican one, vactican two bullshit until the pope died there a few years ago. And me brought up a catholic. And now that I've heard of them I still have no clue what they are.

 

[MilanPan!c]

that should be a laughable statement but sadly its actually true. I never heard about this Vatican one, vactican two bullshit until the pope died there a few years ago. And me brought up a catholic. And now that I've heard of them I still have no clue what they are.

To depress you even more, I was raised a Protestant in the US and we were taught about them.

 

[MilanPan!c]

One step forwards, two steps back into the 1920s

Six councillors voted for the motion which stated: “In light of our Christian faith and the strong Christian values contained within our Constitution, that Kerry County Council erect a crucifix on the wall of the new council chamber.”

Crucifix erected in Kerry County Council meeting chamber - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 06, 2014

 

[Lili Marlene]

Don't worry, it's all in our heads, the Church is great!

The Tuam tank: another myth about evil Ireland | spiked

 

[pete]

One step forwards, two steps back into the 1920s



Crucifix erected in Kerry County Council meeting chamber - Political News | Irish & International Politics | The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 06, 2014

a standard-size crucifix had been erected

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[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Don't worry, it's all in our heads, the Church is great!

The Tuam tank: another myth about evil Ireland | spiked

In fairness, I don't think pointing out the inaccuracies in many of the stories is the same as praising the Church.

 

[Lili Marlene]

In fairness, I don't think pointing out the inaccuracies in many of the stories is the same as praising the Church.

In fairness I was very clearly using hyperbole.


anyway that Spiked article is leading and inaccurate itself.

for example:

Many of the more shocking claims made about Ireland’s nun-run Magdalene Laundries, in movies, books and newspaper articles, were called into question by the Irish government’s exhaustive report published last year

Exhaustive? the same exhuastive report that the UN Committee Against Torture said "lacked many elements of a prompt, independent and thorough investigation as recommended by the committee” and "did not conduct a fully independent investigation into allegations of arbitrary detention, forced labour or ill-treatment"

(http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cat/docs/followup/IrelandFurtherInfo22May2013.pdf).

The unhealthy obsession over the past 10 years with raking over Ireland’s past has little to do with confirming such facts and instead has become a kind of grotesque moral sport, providing kicks to the anti-Catholic brigade and fuel to the historical self-flagellation that now passes for public life in Ireland.

What the fuck are spiked playing at? There's a fundamental misunderstanding of how modern Ireland works going on here.

 

[nooleen]

Sure, sure

 

[Lili Marlene]

Well anyway, I'm just venting. Spiked annoys me at the best of times.

Help me choose a new catholic avatar @Theodore Kaczynski

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

I never read Spiked so am unaware of their annoyance factor or otherwise.

The UN is full of Godless marxists so they would say that.

Eh, how about a nice picture of our Lady appearing at Fatima?

 

[therealjohnny]

And what's wrong with Knock? Bah, Fatima indeed.

Do people really believe in the Knock thing or do we all understand it was just a ploy to create jobs and tourism in the West?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Fatima had the three secrets, makes it that bit more exciting.

I certainly think they used the apparition at Knock to the advantage of the West. And why not? Those places with the moving statues missed a trick.

 

[MilanPan!c]

You know... For kids...