Don't be mistake it's not goodbye so much as fuck off.
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What's your point? The cachement area is the same size or less than Dublin. Yes they have wider opportunities for branching out but only if they succeed on a micro level first.I suppose someone from Portland isn't stuck only playing Portland and the immediate surrounding area though.
Don't be mistake it's not goodbye so much as fuck off.
What's your point? The cachement area is the same size or less than Dublin. Yes they have wider opportunities for branching out but only if they succeed on a micro level first.
I think the point he's trying to make is that Portland has direct access to a prospective audience of over 200 million, and all you need is a van. Half the reason we have to look after our own is that the logistics of touring anywhere outside of Ireland involve so much travel at great expense.What's your point? The cachement area is the same size or less than Dublin. Yes they have wider opportunities for branching out but only if they succeed on a micro level first.
Yeah well absolutely you're right on that. I've always been jealous of that kind of access as I'm sure are most people in bands in this country. But I fail to see how this excuses a culture of giving less if we are to take Dublin, let's say, as a microcosm. Am I wrong here in assuming we are comparing relative like with like at least to some extent?Yeah, what he said. It's hard to Get in the Van Henry Rollins style when you only have about 6 places to go before you have to start factoring in boats and planes. That was my only point.
Whelan's does well for itself. And it pays to play. It does nothing for your argument to continue mentioning it. Also you've taken up Ann Post's point completely wrong.Whelans is far from packed every night of every week. Far from it. I've stood in empty upstairs rooms many a night.
I know Whelans does pay to play. They are far from transparent about it and frequently do a shit job collecting money at the door. They also don't share proceeds from the bar. So.
And Ann Post did suggest shutting down venues that don't pay bands. That would include Whelans. When questioned about it directly, AP doubled down on that sentiment.
So it's not a strawman; you simply didn't do a good job of reading the thread.
Sorry I don't understand that last part maybe it's dyslexia maybe you've broken my brain but I really want to know what you're trying to say.Yeah well absolutely you're right on that. I've always been jealous of that kind of access as I'm sure are most people in bands in this country. But I fail to see how this excuses a culture of giving less if we are to take Dublin, let's say, as a microcosm. Am I wrong here in assuming we are comparing relative like with like at least to some extent?
Whelan's does well for itself. And it pays to play. It does nothing for your argument to continue mentioning it. Also you've taken up Ann Post's point completely wrong.
Surely not !!!Also you've taken up Ann Post's point completely wrong.
What I'm saying in a really really bad way is that surely there is some truth learned by comparing situations in different cities around the world to that of our own.Sorry I don't understand that last part maybe it's dyslexia maybe you've broken my brain but I really want to know what you're trying to say.
Well maybe I've taken it up wrong then. I thought he was saying he would hypothetically prefer a fewer number of venues with fairer payment polices than a greater number who all pay nothing. Not that we should all get out the pitchforks and start shutting places down.I haven't taken it wrong. You note AP came onto this and in no way denied that was what was meant. Close venues, unethical ones.
And Whelans sometimes pays to play, other times - many many many times - it does not.
I've played many many a gig there, including headlining up and downstairs and have rarely been paid. Not never, but rarely. My experience is not the outlier.
I haven't taken it wrong. You note AP came onto this and in no way denied that was what was meant. Close venues, unethical ones.
Me too.I got paid every time I've played Whelan's. Decent crowds most of the times too.
What I'm saying in a really really bad way is that surely there is some truth learned by comparing situations in different cities around the world to that of our own.
I'm not buying this little old isolated Ireland is so drastically different as to be incomparable.
What I mean by a microcosm is a city and it's cachement area without the broader context of it's geographical location.
As for Portland, it's on the West coast of the US, a few hours drive from one of the largest media conflagrations in the world.
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