Ireland (3 Viewers)

[ernesto]

It finds that although Ireland spends among the most in Europe on housing, it has some of the worst outcomes.

This would be funny if it didn't apply to Health and a bunch more things

Hi, we're Ireland. Europe's fuckups. Please like us.

Too small And new a country not to be still riddled with corruption. That and Throwing A colonial hangover in to the mix is our downfall

 

[rettucs]

Still there.

do none of them pricks have a job?

 

[egg_]

The brits are gone for 100 years. Any fuckups are our own fault at this stage IMO

Honestly I think the problem is WAY more subtle and complex than plain old corruption.

 

[ernesto]

The brits are gone for 100 years. Any fuckups are our own fault at this stage IMO

Honestly I think the problem is WAY more subtle and complex than plain old corruption.

It’s so embedded that the corruption is complex and runs all the way up

 

[magicbastarder]

The brits are gone for 100 years. Any fuckups are our own fault at this stage IMO

Honestly I think the problem is WAY more subtle and complex than plain old corruption.

this is a useful rejoinder when you hear 'the brits chopped down all our trees!'
like we've done a wonderful job since of restoring our old woodlands.

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

this is a useful rejoinder when you hear 'the brits chopped down all our trees!'
like we've done a wonderful job since of restoring our old woodlands.

Plus most of the deforestation of Ireland happened in Celtic times to accommodate the shift to farming.

 

[magicbastarder]

i know in the UK, and probably replicated here, that the biggest acceleration in old growth deforestation happened in the post-war years when industry decided they could 'improve' woodlands.

 

[Deadmanposting]

Too small And new a country not to be still riddled with corruption. That and Throwing A colonial hangover in to the mix is our downfall

There still seems to be a lot to the post-colonial thing.
We still look to some vague entity, usually government, to solve all our problems.

From my experience in Europe and the US, we are more likely to just want to pull a cheque and go home. Other western societies are more engaged in the overall wellbeing of their societies.

We drink a hell of a lot, even still. We're not RUssia, but there's something wrong with the psyche of a nation that is constantly getting pissed. It's national self-medication, I think.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

It’s so embedded that the corruption is complex and runs all the way up

surprisingly, Ireland's not 'that' corrupt in a global sense.

2022 Corruption Perceptions Index: Explore the results

How does your country measure up in the 2022 Corruption Perceptions Index?

www.transparency.org

IMHO most of the problems we are facing currently are as much a consequence of populism, localism and incredibly poor long term planning as corruption proper. whether that is the brits fault or our own is for the social historians to argue over.

 

[ann post]

I was chattin to someone this week who was on about how since state formation to almost the present we've had almost a one party system where some european nations have had a lot longer head start at nation building (and throwing his oar in) was also talking about how the people who set the outline of the state were executed so we are due a period of time witha more left/socialist govt if we want to persue the paper ideal of the place.

 

[ann post]

Meanwhile

Heavy rain forces closure of new An Earagail pathway

People are being warned not to climb Co Donegal's An Earagail after heavy rain washed away parts of a new €630,000 pathway.

www.rte.ie

Probably don't climb it like so...
....
but my puny ego has resented this path from day 1 because I've climbed it about 15 times before the path was put there, and then had to live alongside people who also 'climbed errigal' but using a path rather than pure raw stubborness diminishing my 'achievements'

 

[Deadmanposting]

I was chattin to someone this week who was on about how since state formation to almost the present we've had almost a one party system where some european nations have had a lot longer head start at nation building (and throwing his oar in) was also talking about how the people who set the outline of the state were executed so we are due a period of time witha more left/socialist govt if we want to persue the paper ideal of the place.

We threw off the English in 1921, but we've only just thrown off the church
Our idea of who we are and what to do has been outsourced for forever
Or disimpowered at every turn
We're still trying to find out who we are. The French and Italians and Germans and Swedes have known that for forever, even if it is evolving for them.

 

[ernesto]

surprisingly, Ireland's not 'that' corrupt in a global sense.

2022 Corruption Perceptions Index: Explore the results

How does your country measure up in the 2022 Corruption Perceptions Index?

www.transparency.org

IMHO most of the problems we are facing currently are as much a consequence of populism, localism and incredibly poor long term planning as corruption proper. whether that is the brits fault or our own is for the social historians to argue over.

I don't think those reports hold much water. Proving corruption is inherently difficult for the law nevermind graphlords

 

[JohnnyRaz]

I don't think those reports hold much water. Proving corruption is inherently difficult for the law nevermind graphlords

agreed, but it's presumably equally difficult in other countries too..

I'm not saying corruption hasn't contributed to the issues, but I don't by a long stretch think its the only cause of the omni-crisis that is 70+ years of shit planning and housing policy in this country.

 

[Deadmanposting]

Not sure how you separate actual brown envelope corruption, which we had from top to bottom for a very long time - and the embedded this-is-how-it's-always-been-done takeover of a system by vested interests

 

[magicbastarder]

i listened to blindboy's podcast about the 'it'll be graaand' approach the irish take, which bears some blame.

 

[Deadmanposting]

i listened to blindboy's podcast about the 'it'll be graaand' approach the irish take, which bears some blame.

Yeah, that's a big thing with us

If you get a minute, would you mind sharing the title of that one?
Or something else to make it searchable


I was in Bonaire on holidays a while back. And they had been independent, but the people voted to have the Dutch come in and run things again. There is a lot of but some of it was this post-colonial helplessness that everything was someone else's responsibility. Now they have that again.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

Not sure how you separate actual brown envelope corruption, which we had from top to bottom for a very long time - and the embedded this-is-how-it's-always-been-done takeover of a system by vested interests

Theres something to that for sure.

A sliding scale with charlie haughy at one end, and micheal noonan at the other.

 

[Deadmanposting]

Theres something to that for sure.

A sliding scale with charlie haughy at one end, and micheal noonan at the other.

Yeah, and like what an utter racket the Kings Inns is
And the clamping and driving tests and NCT and all that gear being done under cash cow contracts by people with connections
Like Denis O'Brien brown enveloped his way in, but these other lads just knew where all the levers were

I think A LOT about Michael McDowell torpedoing Chuck Feeney's CPI - an organisation that could have at least shed some light on why we were so fucked.
But the system will always protect itself. Like it did with CPAD. And like it did after the riots.

 

[magicbastarder]

Yeah, that's a big thing with us

If you get a minute, would you mind sharing the title of that one?
Or something else to make it searchable


I was in Bonaire on holidays a while back. And they had been independent, but the people voted to have the Dutch come in and run things again. There is a lot of but some of it was this post-colonial helplessness that everything was someone else's responsibility. Now they have that again.

Weirdly, he's simply named it 'it'll be grand' and not something like 'Dempsey's chocolate makepeace'

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