hey there folks, some galway questions if you can help (1 Viewer)

[Shorty]

Yeah, sloping forehead, googly eyes, ... What's your point?

 

[c0De_n1NjA]

oh god. if i ever got involved in the galway punk scene, i hope my family would find me and kill me.

 

[zero_hero]

Have you found Sallys yet? Its on Abbeygate street straight down the side street at Lynchs Castle (AIB) on shop street. Bottom of that street.

 

[Shorty]

which part made you to sound so desperate? "reprinted" or "crimethinc"?

I'd say it was the "crimethinc".

 

[Willie Willions]

Shorty, the Crimethinc backlash happened years ago, nobody cares anymore.
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[Shorty]

Shorty, the Crimethinc backlash happened years ago, nobody cares anymore.
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Of course you'd say that: you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter. But they're obviously a bit behind the times in Galway.

 

[Willie Willions]

Yesh sur, sorry sur.
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[nooleen]

you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter.

that's a top-notch insult, must remember that one

 

[pete]

I've recently moved down to galway city from dubland and was wondering what the punk scene hotspots would be for gigs, small venues, or just pubs that play ska, reggea, punk on nights ect I've heard about this sally long place but have yet to find it and I know about the roisin coz I live virtually next door to it but I have'nt seen any other places around so far in a months time I've also heard about some food not bombs thing coming up soon ? any info on that ? thanks a lot

http://www.galwayfirst.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=719

 

[Shorty]

that's a top-notch insult, must remember that one

Just getting caught up in the whole phrenology of alcoholics in this thread.

 

[ri tarado]

Shorty, the Crimethinc backlash happened years ago, nobody cares anymore.
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well, if anyone sees a problem in putting up crimethinc stuff at fnb stall, i have a suggestion: do it fucking yourself and put whatever shit you want on the table. fair?

 

[Shorty]

well, if anyone sees a problem in putting up crimethinc stuff at fnb stall, i have a suggestion: do it fucking yourself and put whatever shit you want on the table. fair?

What if it's already been done, several years ago, people have learnt from their experiences, discussions, etc. and moved on? Do a search for "crimethinc" on these here boards. And "food not bombs" for that matter as well. I've been involved in the latter but thankfully never advocated the former.
Apart from maybe the fall in love one and why your politics are boring as fuck (which in the cruelest of ironies I think now relates more to crimethinc than any "anarcho-communist theory discussion group meeting").

 

[Shorty]

Also, I'm not bashing you, it is something "pro-active" hehe but just maybe do those searches. Or ask some of the people in FnB Dublin what they thought of it. It's great as a socialising event for a scene and bringing people together in that sense, but so's a social centre and that has less of the liberal guilt and charity associated with it and can have more of an impact in political terms and at least in organising and infrastructure, again to some extent.

 

[RSJ]

Hey, i'm usually one for knocking anyone who tries to do anything, particularly in galway, but i think in this case, if he wants to put crimethinc stuff on a table while giving out free food, let him. Plus you're not giving him any reasons here that you're against it, you're just saying "this has been discussed and decided against, so please move on", which is just a tad condescending.

Like he says, if you have something to contribute, go right ahead.

 

[nooleen]

Apart from maybe the fall in love one and why your politics are boring as fuck (which in the cruelest of ironies I think now relates more to crimethinc than any "anarcho-communist theory discussion group meeting").

'your politics are boring as fuck', by some boring politico fuck. it was always quite ironic.
i hope nadia c has got run over. i bet she had no friends in real life.

 

[Shorty]

Hey, i'm usually one for knocking anyone who tries to do anything, particularly in galway, but i think in this case, if he wants to put crimethinc stuff on a table while giving out free food, let him. Plus you're not giving him any reasons here that you're against it, you're just saying "this has been discussed and decided against, so please move on", which is just a tad condescending.

Like he says, if you have something to contribute, go right ahead.

Didn't want to come across as condescending, more just want to be oblique, and having some sort of way of coming through dialog with other people to an understanding of the shortcomings of both (and counterproductive at least in the case of crimethinc) rather than putting up some political paper or thesis.

But then again there's alway this done by our very own W.
Rethinking Crimethinc - http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=3664

 

[nooleen]

heheh, 'milieu'

 

[ri tarado]

What if it's already been done, several years ago, people have learnt from their experiences, discussions, etc. and moved on? Do a search for "crimethinc" on these here boards. And "food not bombs" for that matter as well. I've been involved in the latter but thankfully never advocated the former.
Apart from maybe the fall in love one and why your politics are boring as fuck (which in the cruelest of ironies I think now relates more to crimethinc than any "anarcho-communist theory discussion group meeting").

What people, that had their experiences and discussions are you talking about? People that use to hang out here? Well, they sure must have known what is crimethinc long time ago, at least i hope so. But Food Not Bombs IS NOT orientated to ones that are already read all this stuff, i mean, if we were doing events for punks, what the point would be? it would like a closed circle, same people, same ideas, maybe new approaches to them, and then we could talk about some kind of evolution, past and present of ideas, but then it wouldnt' even need name food not bombs, it wouldnt need to be done publicly, we could just come to each others house and have dinner or so. but people that come to the event ussually wouldnt even know what excaclty direct action or d.i.y. or grassroots mean, so there must be different topics with them, don't you think?
as for the zines i choosed to put up, 'dropping out' - when i was 17 myself, this thing inspired me to actually pack my bags and head to a hichhiking journey around europe, taking only about 20eur, basic stuff and a hand drum. 'wasted indeed' - it's brilliant material. little bit sarcastic and ironic, speaks big words but kicks you right into the nuts. and i don't think there's lots of people that have read that before. 'the art of politics' - good stuff also - i think it is actual at this time especially, when the election shit is on. it's radical and sound enough for any middle class lady or gentelman to rethink a little bit what they've thought.
anyway, in the church of punkrock, you dont whine that someone is doing something not the way you would like it to be done, but just do it yourself that way. or you could not just say 'that is niah-niah-niah', but actually offer something better and be more constructive with your criticism, laying down serious arguments, why something shouldnt be done that way.

peace and love

 

[nooleen]

my main problem with crimethinc was that they seemed to like writing really condescending articles explaining things that everyone already knows as if it's a revelation and the reader is privileged to be on the receiving end, having their squinty, ignorant little eyes opened. 'alcohol abuse is bad', who's the free-thinking genius who came up with that one, eh?
i'm not having a go at anyone in galway by the way, i just like slagging easy targets like crimethinc.

 

[Shorty]

What people, that had their experiences and discussions are you talking about? People that use to hang out here? Well, they sure must have known what is crimethinc long time ago, at least i hope so. But Food Not Bombs IS NOT orientated to ones that are already read all this stuff, i mean, if we were doing events for punks, what the point would be? it would like a closed circle, same people, same ideas, maybe new approaches to them, and then we could talk about some kind of evolution, past and present of ideas, but then it wouldnt' even need name food not bombs, it wouldnt need to be done publicly, we could just come to each others house and have dinner or so. but people that come to the event ussually wouldnt even know what excaclty direct action or d.i.y. or grassroots mean, so there must be different topics with them, don't you think?

Yeah, give it time and with it being done regularly, see what happens? I really don't mean to or want to be knocking you. I mean, you're from lithuania right? I always enjoy reading about the various activities, actions and organisation of the rather nascent eastern european anarchist movement in Abolishing the Borders from Below and it seems like food not bombs activities are quite a big part of a lot of that (and in the case of russia, can even get you killed). And you are thus dealling with your own experiences of political activity and praxis. Though I see in a lot of this, activities (activities that are quite influenced by north american anarchism and anarchist activity) that the also quite young Irish anarchist movement (or perhaps in this case the cultural wing, ) would have previously been involved in but has since given up on.

There's nothing wrong with going to each other's houses either though. It might not be as "political" but then again who can have a problem with feeding the homeless? It's a pretty safe and good cause. Just be honest about it.

As for the direct action, grassroots and diy I previously would have agreed with this but probably since don't. It's DIY in the punk sense but not in the sense of encouraging the self activity of the homeless or other marginalised groups, it's grassroots in the sense that it's a horizontal/non-hierarchical group but not a grassroots response to the issue of homlessness and it's direct action in that it's un mediated but direct action has a different meaning and understanding to me.

as for the zines i choosed to put up, 'dropping out' - when i was 17 myself, this thing inspired me to actually pack my bags and head to a hichhiking journey around europe, taking only about 20eur, basic stuff and a hand drum. 'wasted indeed' - it's brilliant material. little bit sarcastic and ironic, speaks big words but kicks you right into the nuts. and i don't think there's lots of people that have read that before. 'the art of politics' - good stuff also - i think it is actual at this time especially, when the election shit is on. it's radical and sound enough for any middle class lady or gentelman to rethink a little bit what they've thought.

Well, I'd argue it's not all that sound enough to be applicable to anyone's life, because of the emphais on dropout politics, apart from a very small amount of people who would fit a broad yet quite homogenous set of cultural,social,racial,economic,etc. backgrounds (Alot of which I'd probably also fullfill) least of all middle class gentlemen and ladies. In general I find people are opened up to ideas in different ways and wouldn't discount this it's just possibly not as effective as other methods.

I like Ramors review of Days of War here
http://info.interactivist.net/article.pl?sid=04/11/02/026239&mode=nested&tid=22&tid=2
A bit about the nice sounding but ultimately hollow nature of most crimethinc literature. It is well written, poetic and lyrical but ...

anyway, in the church of punkrock, you dont whine that someone is doing something not the way you would like it to be done, but just do it yourself that way. or you could not just say 'that is niah-niah-niah', but actually offer something better and be more constructive with your criticism, laying down serious arguments, why something shouldnt be done that way.

peace and love

Yeah, but this is Eirecore, so it's all about the bitchiness. But it's also that I don't like talking politics too much and on eirecore as well/especially. I kind of feel embarassed and ashamed as if it feels out of place. But I can post some more if the conversation develops further.

Here's an interesting action involving working with (rather than for) the homeless that was also quite impowering and was working with a radical homeless group. Though I don't know what has since happened as I'm out of the country and haven't heard anymore.

http://indymedia.ie/article/73193