creation museum (2 Viewers)

[Grizzlier]

Well there's teaching it and there is discussing it. If it really is absolute rubbish at least the students will be equipped to deal with anyone who tries to say creationism is a science outside of school. I guess we're getting into ideas of what should be taught in schools and how they should be taught.

It would be worthwhile if students were given information regarding how a scientific theory is constructed and supported, so that they would be aware of the criteria that must be met in order for any such theory to appear in a textbook.

They would then be equipped to deal with every god-bothering pseudo-scientist who came their way and wouldn't have to waste valuable learning time granting credence to half-baked and unsubstantiated theories by discussing them in the first place.

Edit: I love how people say "there are creationist scientists, you know" as though this somehow vindicates the whole notion of Intelligent Design. Let's hold our breaths until one of them wins the Nobel Prize, shall we?

 

[pete]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/6711895.stm

 

[coraline]

Remember the blog someone linked to, by a crazy ultra Christian lady who beat her kids to train them to sit still in church? It was in the parenting board, a thread about corporal punishment etc
This is her report on the creation museum :
http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/camillaanderson/332492/

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We're back! Yesterday we visited the brand new (opening Monday, May 28 to the general public) Creation Museum built by Answers in Genesis near Cincinnati, Ohio.

It took me a while to formulate the words to give my report. I guess I'm still not sure what to say. But I will try to share our experience.

In one word, the place is awesome! Other than that, words fail me.

The museum takes you on a guided, logical, step-by-step journey following the "7 C's of History", which are Creation, Corruption, Catastrophe, Confusion, Christ, Cross, Consummation." You don't just meander aimlessly from room to room. It is a sequential path of evidence, facts, and truth that start with creation and end with Christ.

Our first stop was getting our picture taken as a family in front of a green screen. One nice picture, and then one of us all looking up at a dinosaur overhead like we were afraid (I'll explain how this works later).

Next stop, the planetarium, just inside the HUGE foyer of towering columns, a glass front, and a rock wall. The seats of the planetarium recline almost all the way back and are centered under a huge dome-screen. The 20-minute presentation was by far the best astronomy-lesson-in-a-nutshell I have ever seen. It took you on a virtual space journey from earth to the outer known edges of the universe, explaining size, distance, and perspective the entire time. Not only was I educated, but the worshipfulness of the presentation kept me in tears. It honored and glorified God as the awesome creator that He is. (I was near tears through the whole museum, but I tried to hide that so people didn't think I was having an emotional crisis of some sort--even though my tears were tears of worship). This show took you so virtually so far out into space that I actually had a moment of feeling very lost and wanted them to get me back to earth! It was very impactful and visually powerful.

From the planetarium, you exit into the museum's grand foyer with a cascading waterfall, a true-to-size animated brontosaurus chewing leaves (my 2-year-old was quite awestruck), an aquarium, and some mini-exhibits of finches, animals, and fossils. A grand pterydactyl (I think that's what it is) hovers over the entrance to the bookstore.

You are then escorted from the foyer into the "special effects theater." There was a very moving and entertaining multimedia presentation hosted by "Gabe & Mike" (satirical spin-offs of the Angel Gabriel and the Angel Michael). Be prepared to get a little wet. Fortunately, my son discovered the water source before the show began and we were able to block the light spray from the baby--who liked it anyway. Lots of light, sound effects, rumblings (your chair shakes), and more. The presentation was a little fast-paced and multi-sensory for me, but for searching souls and the majority of today's media-soaked population, I'm sure it was done well. There was a great portion in the middle of this show where a teacher was presenting evolution as fact in the classroom, and two high-school students challenged those "facts" with opposing facts that exposed evolution as a fallible theory. AiG chose wonderful, thought-provoking points to get you to the point of asking: What is the real truth and can we know for sure? It is on this note that you enter the museum portion.

Leaving the special effects theater, you walk through a small reproduction of the grand canyon walls to emerge into a room depicting an archaeolgical dig, setting the tone that all evidence presented in the museum is dug, interpreted, and discovered scientifically. They depict that creation science uses the same science as evolutionary scientists.

From there, you enter a "crisis" exhibit, showing the decline of our culture and society today. Massive collages of dark headlines (school shootings, famine, gay marriage, drug abuse, etc.) are pasted on grafitti-covered walls, all with the purpose of saying, "What went wrong? Why is the world like this?" I really enjoyed a small room that depicted the corruption of the word of God using a timeline showing when, how, and where, the truth was taken out of the Bible. This educational section showed people, dates, and key events in the corruption and crumbling of Christianity's truthful, Biblical foundations.

Then to find the "why" behind all this trouble, you are guided through a "time tunnel" to go back 6,000 years to the beginning. You sit first in a small theater room for a four minute wide-screen movie presentation of the six literal days of creation (beautiful imagery). Then you leave that room to emerge into the"wonders" room, where there are numerous large bright plaques on the wall, each depicting a "wonder" of God's creation in all aspects: biology, geology, physics, astronomy, and more. There is a video screen above each plaque playing a concise, clear, explanatory video of some of the indisputable wonders and marvels of God's creation--things science can never explain. (I loved this video--one of my favorite parts and I intend to find out if they sell this video).

From this bright "wonders" room, you walk into Garden of Eden itself, where everything was "very good." In this large atrium-style room, there are stunning murals of massive size on all the walls, depicting the beautiful earth out into the distance, flowers, plants, animal sculptures, and, of course, a wonderful sculpture set of Adam and Eve.

Now, you leave the "creation" portion and walk into the "corruption". The path of the museum winds down (like the decline of things), down, down through scene after scene of the fall of man to the earth's total corruption.... past the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (a towering and beautiful piece of art), the temptation of Eve by the serpent and the disobedience of Adam, the first death of animals and the making of coats by God for Adam and Eve, the curse upon the ground and upon the woman's child-bearing, and the murder of Abel. These scenes are all reproduced with life-sized wax figures and detailed scenery, even a real waterfall.

As you pass the murdered Abel, lying on the ground, you enter a small room where a wax reproduction of Methusaleh is speaking of the decline of humanity that he has observed in his 969 years. Methusaleh ends his speech saying, "My time upon the earth is done." Well, you know what that means. Methusaleh died the year the flood began.

You leave Methusaleh to see several large exhibits on the next "C", Catastrophe, and that starts with Noah's ark. There is a true-to-life portion of the ark to walk through to help give you an idea of the massive size (complete with life-size wax figures of Noah and his sons working on the ark with hammers and saws). There are several beautiful painted murals and skilled scale model reproductions of the ark in various stages and scenes. These are WONDERFUL and we spent a lot of time looking at them. There are tons of geological and fossils evidences on display next, with information about how the facts support the Biblical account of the flood. The fossil samples at the museum are really wonderful. The geological evidence presentation is fantastic.

 

[coraline]

Crazy lady part 2 :




From there, you head into the "Confusion" section of the museum. It explains what happened at Babel, including the archaelogical evidence for the origin of all languages that support the Biblical account. The story from Babel to the Messiah is presented in a historical timeline format.

From there, you emerge into small foyer area adjacent to the "plaza" area.. You are first asked by a friendly host if you want to view a video presentation of the last three C's of history. If so, you are given a token to go into the theater (when they run out of tokens, they know the next show is full). This video ties together everything you have just seen in the museum from the confusing questions people may have, to creation to confusion, and then explains Christ, cross, and consummation. It is very moving and offers the plan of salvation. When the video ends, the host says that if anyone has any questions and wants to talk further about what they have seen, they may speak to any staff member in the plaza.

I really liked how they politely asked if you would like to view the show--no one is forced to see it. I like how they offered several staff members in a casual atsmosphere to be available to talk. Before you even enter the last video presentation, there are several staff members just hanging out, passing out the tokens, waiting with the crowd for the next show, and carrying on conversation. They set the tone of friendly and inviting conversation by asking how you liked the museum, where did you come from, and generally just being friendly. It is a wonderful tone and atmosphere. It couldn't have been done better.

You exit the video presentation to the plaza, where there is a cafe, wonderful displays of fossils and crystals, and more. Past the cafe, there is a children's area. They also have a station where the photo snapped from the beginning of the tour is on the computer, and they work with you to place your family in different settings with different backgrounds, and you can choose to purchase one as a souvenir. These are very creative and well-done.

At this point, you leave the museum building through their wonderful AiG store, which offers ALL the videos, books, and resources to support and explain further everything you have just seen.

And we haven't even gone outside yet to the wonderful beautiful lake with it's wonderful walk ways, bridges, waterfalls, landscaping, trees, flowers, and their "bog" exhibit with bug-eating plants and more.

You can easily get an entire semester lesson of history, geography, geology, Bible, science, or astronomy by visiting this museum. It is so rich in evidence, facts, and data. I can't wait to go back with my children on a homeschool mission to take specific notes and be more targeted in our learning towards one area of science. Our family has a lifetime membership, so I hope we are able to go often. It will provide a strong backbone for our home education in all those subjects I just mentioned.

Well... not to mention the personal sense of worship I felt throughout the whole time. I was moved near tears at my love for God, His awesome works, His wonders, His power, His plan.

It was wonderful. I would say more, but words fail me. I am so grateful for the ministry of Answers in Genesis! They are in my continued prayers for blessing and protection. Praise God for this wonderful ministry and all their faithful staff and supporters. They did an absolutely phenomenal job on this museum. I can't imagine it could have been done any better. They truly cut no corners. It is all a first class presentation in all aspects.

So my recommendation: If you can get there

GET THERE.

 

[pete]

school shootings, famine, gay marriage, drug abuse

amazing

 

[flashback]

How do you end up that brain damaged?


I wonder... so this Gordon Brown chap. Is he the same way Blair was, ie into holding hands with people (like GWB for instance) and falling onto knees to do some serious praying. Is he going to talk about religion and mix it into his chat about family values and CCTV all over the place?

Are we headed for another middle age basically? Or is Gordon less brain damaged as Blair in this respect.

Like Pete posted up, unless you are a back whipping religious freak, you are not getting in to the US corridors of power.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

Thread on www.munsterfans.com discussing pretty much the same things

Some interesting and well informed posts on the science theory vs fact thing.

I suppose I could make some sort of a point about the mental capacity of rugby fans versus you soccer lovers but tht would be unkind and if I did someone would be bound to point out how tragic some of the post on the music reccomendtions thread are. (oddly 9 ot of 10 props perfer Sigur Ros )

 

[pete]

I suppose I could make some sort of a point about the mental capacity of rugby fans versus you soccer lovers

The only problem being there's only about 4 or 5 people participating.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

The only problem being there's only about 4 or 5 people participating.

Must have been something to dowith the bank holiday weekend. We all put on our pink pringle jumpers hopped in out golf GTI's and headed for the seaside

 

[avernus]

rugby fans are almost as sickening as creationists.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

 

[Dixer]

Haven't read this whole thread so this might have come up, but probably not. As a borderline clueless person wrt the area of astrophysics, how does the principle of falsifiability apply? That is to say, whil I can grasp the concepts involved in the thought of Einstein or Hawking in relation to black holes or whatever, how are these theories to be tested? A scientist can speak on how, if an astronaut were to fall over the cusp of an event horizon into a black hole, he would eventually be all stringed out etc etc but how can this be anything but conjecture? How do you prove that Black Holes aren't completley final, that particles can escape? Feel free to post a youtube clip of Dennis Hopper from Apocalypse Now: "One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can't travel in space, you can't go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions - what are you going to land on - one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That's dialectic physics. "

 

[Space]

Haven't read this whole thread so this might have come up, but probably not. As a borderline clueless person wrt the area of astrophysics, how does the principle of falsifiability apply? That is to say, whil I can grasp the concepts involved in the thought of Einstein or Hawking in relation to black holes or whatever, how are these theories to be tested? A scientist can speak on how, if an astronaut were to fall over the cusp of an event horizon into a black hole, he would eventually be all stringed out etc etc but how can this be anything but conjecture? How do you prove that Black Holes aren't completley final, that particles can escape? Feel free to post a youtube clip of Dennis Hopper from Apocalypse Now: "One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can't travel in space, you can't go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions - what are you going to land on - one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That's dialectic physics. "

The big bang theory is far from tested although that's got very little if anything to do with evolution.

 

[Lord Damian]

c'mon people! if this thread doesn't reach 666 posts i'll be pissed off.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/coyne07/coyne07_index.html

 

[classic seanc]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Inuit creation story begins with a pair of giants who chopped off their daughter's fingers, which became seals, whales, walrus, and salmon.[/FONT]

ooh wow.

 

[Lord Damian]

ooh wow.

it's as valid a theory as any!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[classic seanc]

Disprove it!


Y’know, they used to think that intelligence could be measured by the flatness of the face. Therefore, as Europeans don’t have protruding brows like our African cousins, the whites were smarter, and therefore better than the blacks, and actually better than all the people’s who’s features were measured.

BUT

The people with the flattest faces in the world are actually a race of Inuit. So, maybe they are right about the origins of life. They are, after all, the smartest people in the world according to some dudes idea of science.

 

[Lord Damian]

Disprove it!


Y’know, they used to think that intelligence could be measured by the flatness of the face. Therefore, as Europeans don’t have protruding brows like our African cousins, the whites were smarter, and therefore better than the blacks, and actually better than all the people’s who’s features were measured.

BUT

The people with the flattest faces in the world are actually a race of Inuit. So, maybe they are right about the origins of life. They are, after all, the smartest people in the world according to some dudes idea of science.

i used to know a dude who looked like he had been hit with a shovel as a child. his face was actually a bit concave. and he was smart. not as smart as me, though, and i have a perfect face.

 

[avernus]

c'mon people! if this thread doesn't reach 666 posts i'll be pissed off.

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/coyne07/coyne07_index.html

when it does, it should be locked.

I can't believe it's come 40 pages without any reference to Bill Hicks. Fuck it. here goes...

You ever noticed how people who believe in Creationism look really unevolved? You ever noticed that? - Eyes real close together, eyebrow ridges, big furry hands and feet.

"I believe God created me in one day" - Yeah looks like he rushed it.

 

[classic seanc]

BILL HICKS IS ON THUMPED??!!

OMGZZZZZ!!!!