if we measure success solely in numbers of deaths (and there's a strong justification for doing so), then it was, yes, but I'd rather be where we are now than to be where they are. Them and Australia both. I just wonder what other, untold, harm their approach as done to people there.
New Zealand have had a grand total of 26 deaths from Covid, along with long, long periods of life as normal.
I follow about 2 new zealand youtubes, watched with great envy this year
I follow a few on insta. They're mighty angry now.
I know it's not what you said, and I have a fair idea what your political goals are but ... isn't that really what we want? We're good people, we try and behave in a way that is kind and fair and empathetic and considerate of our fellow humans (and even animals). We would like if everyone else would do that too. Is that not true? Wouldn't the world be a better place if they did?
I think most people consider themselves good people who are fair and empathetic and considerate of fellow human. There's very few (they do exist I know) who would state they want or are any different. And i'd say they're, to a large degree, correct about themselves.
being "good" has often meant being good to your own people, rather than everyone
Sure.
What untold harm do you think has been done? Just curious here because I do wonder sometimes what harm has been done to people here by our own approach. Particularly kids growing up with this
They've also had a decline in cases 2 days in a row now, so maybe their current lockdown will get there
I don't know. Probably mental health damage and the consequences of that. In the case of NZ and Oz, its only really hitting them now, while they see much of the rest of the world opening up. They're also locked into their countries until 2022, while they see Europe opening up.
they made their announcement and have decided to defer imposing new restrictions, for now.
i think they've only 26% of people vaccinated. so they can't come out of lockdown; whether or not the success of their lockdown made them complacent about vaccinations, i don't know, but they're well behind on that score.
Assuming changing anything whatsoever about our economic system (e.g. making our own vaccines, having a health service that isn't run at 95%+ capacity at all times, providing funding for mental health and community services), is completely out of the question because that would be just unrealistic, how could we have done better? and also how could New Zealand have done better? We live in this system, this is what we have, same for them.
wasn't it also partly that they weren't prioritised for receiving shipments of the vaccine because they were considered 'low-risk'? Victims of their own success, in a way.
They had a 'green-zone' airline corridor open with Australia, their biggest commercial neighbour, and when Australia got hit with the delta variant and started locking down, New Zealand did some 'last flights out of Australia before the corridor closes' jobs, and the delta variant was carried by a passenger on one of those flights.
I don't disagree and I wouldn't take one side or the other. I just threw it out there. Plenty of people (right-minded ones) were calling for a zero-covid strategy here, regardless of how feasible it was.
the person who brought in the virus was in mandatory quarantine, no? I thought the unknown was how it got out of there.
Nope, pretty sure their 'green-zone' corridor thing with Australia meant no quarantine flying between the two countries.
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