Coronavirus: Better Call Sol - CORONAMANIA (4 Viewers)

[rettucs]

I dunno, I looked up Alan Maguire and Emma Flynn as they are the two who most personify Irish twitter to me and I see nothing about houses.

maybe they own houses

 

[rettucs]

I've seen this kinda craic from a few different quarters, all getting traction

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[therealjohnny]

Come on!!!

 

[ann post]

I kinda think the relevant councils have 100% dropped the ball here.
sure the kids are gonna blame the landlords or whatever but 100% they are young and just want to go somewhere.

Galway city's entire response so far has been

close the prom
open the prom
put traffic cones on the prom
new bollards on one street that have almost no effect.

And that has been it for 12 months in a city that supposedly prides itself on street parties.

There is a pedestrianisation plan coming in soonish which is entirely based around servicing pubs and restaurants, but the things that have been happening in the interim are basically just falling into place because nobody in the council will make a plan unless a business owner says its ok.

There are probably 12-14km of waterside space in this city and a small bit of marshalling and signage could distribute people along this easily - instead they waited till the kids all went to the sparch, then closed it mid sesh so they all went to house parties.

 

[rettucs]

I kinda think the relevant councils have 100% dropped the ball here.
sure the kids are gonna blame the landlords or whatever but 100% they are young and just want to go somewhere.

Galway city's entire response so far has been

close the prom
open the prom
put traffic cones on the prom
new bollards on one street that have almost no effect.

And that has been it for 12 months in a city that supposedly prides itself on street parties.

There is a pedestrianisation plan coming in soonish which is entirely based around servicing pubs and restaurants, but the things that have been happening in the interim are basically just falling into place because nobody in the council will make a plan unless a business owner says its ok.

There are probably 12-14km of waterside space in this city and a small bit of marshalling and signage could distribute people along this easily - instead they waited till the kids all went to the sparch, then closed it mid sesh so they all went to house parties.

my interpretation of the current furore is that it has extended beyond landlords to those people living in houses that they 'own' (however you want to interpret that).

The logic being that the 'Summer Outdoors' thing by NPHET only really applies to people with a garden or a balcony, or a private estate, or some bollox.

I agree with all you said above, and all of the stuff being said about the lack of facilities in Dublin, and how a lot of this is people just wanting to let loose a bit after a year having been stolen from all our lives (though I don't buy this bollox about 'young' people being disproportionately affected).

People are clutching at straws about who they think is to blame for the above.

 

[chris d]

We're only a couple of months away from everyone of drinking age having their first shot. Just wait a bit longer you dicks and take your cans home. Until then, quieter cans somewhere that's not a massive street party.

I don't know the doesn't answer to the whole housing fiasco, but I don't claim to know everything.

 

[rettucs]

We're only a couple of months away from everyone of drinking age having their first shot. Just wait a bit longer you dicks and take your cans home. Until then, quieter cans somewhere that's not a massive street party.

I know that doesn't answer the whole housing fiasco, but I don't claim to know everything.

you'd almost think that someone (I dunno, a political party, maybe) are orchestrating this whole thing, turning generations against each other, for some sinister end goal.

 

[chris d]

you'd almost think that someone (I dunno, a political party, maybe) are orchestrating this whole thing, turning generations against each other, for some sinister end goal.

had to edit my second line there. typing is atrocious.

 

[therealjohnny]

Covid-19 variants to be given Greek alphabet names to avoid stigma

WHO unveils new names for variants of concern to replace ones linked to where they were discovered

www.theguardian.com

 

[Space]

my interpretation of the current furore is that it has extended beyond landlords to those people living in houses that they 'own' (however you want to interpret that).

The logic being that the 'Summer Outdoors' thing by NPHET only really applies to people with a garden or a balcony, or a private estate, or some bollox.

I agree with all you said above, and all of the stuff being said about the lack of facilities in Dublin, and how a lot of this is people just wanting to let loose a bit after a year having been stolen from all our lives (though I don't buy this bollox about 'young' people being disproportionately affected).

People are clutching at straws about who they think is to blame for the above.

It affects all ages and the DCC is to blame. They (DCC) have even stated that their outdoor summer is facilitating outdoor dining etc and nothing to do with people just being outdoors on public space, never mind people actually enjoying themselves in those spaces.

 

[ann post]

my interpretation of the current furore is that it has extended beyond landlords to those people living in houses that they 'own' (however you want to interpret that).

The logic being that the 'Summer Outdoors' thing by NPHET only really applies to people with a garden or a balcony, or a private estate, or some bollox.

I agree with all you said above, and all of the stuff being said about the lack of facilities in Dublin, and how a lot of this is people just wanting to let loose a bit after a year having been stolen from all our lives (though I don't buy this bollox about 'young' people being disproportionately affected).

People are clutching at straws about who they think is to blame for the above.

I mean in pure mathematical terms, the younger you are, the increased proportion of your life this has occupied. It is disporortionalate.

for a 20 year old this is 5% of your life.
for a 40 year old this is 2.5% of your life.

But obviouslty that takes nothing of note into consideration, I'm just showing that there is a some validity to it.

In ann posts imagination, the council realises that these kids are going to go outside and try and do young people things no matter what people say, they call up the crew who run electric picnic etc and ask how do you marshall a couple of thousand young tipsy people around, you give a load of bouncers a bit of work keeping things relatively chill and also everyone else isn't terrified of the city centre because the council saw what was coming and dealt with it.

An ann can dream like.

I work with a few younglings, some of them are mega compliant, some of them are not and almost everyone, given three beers and a good buzz finds it more or less impossible to fight their every human urged to congregate, socialise and rub thier gross bodies against each other.

I agree with young folk saying this outdoor summer isn't for them for the record. Some of them have just gone from zoom leaving cert to zoom first year college. I don't mind if I drink cans with one person on a porch, to them it's the world they were promised passing them by on a laptop screen.

 

[rettucs]

I mean in pure mathematical terms, the younger you are, the increased proportion of your life this has occupied. It is disporortionalate.

for a 20 year old this is 5% of your life.
for a 40 year old this is 2.5% of your life.

But obviouslty that takes nothing of note into consideration, I'm just showing that there is a some validity to it.

well if we were planning on dying at those ages, then yes, those numbers back up that nonsense argument that's doing the rounds.

I'm glad added your last sentence there btw.

 

[rettucs]

It affects all ages and the DCC is to blame. They (DCC) have even stated that their outdoor summer is facilitating outdoor dining etc and nothing to do with people just being outdoors on public space, never mind people actually enjoying themselves in those spaces.

The 'it' here being the global pandemic, right?

If we're agreed on that part we get into the territory of comparing a, say 22-year-old's inability to have cans with his mates, to over-70s dying in large numbers. In this context, no, it is not disproportionate.

If we want to compare the things a 22-year-old can't do, with things a 44-year-old can't do, because of both being locked down, then yes, the argument has merit.

 

[Space]

The 'it' here being the global pandemic, right?

If we're agreed on that part we get into the territory of comparing a, say 22-year-old's inability to have cans with his mates, to over-70s dying in large numbers. In this context, no, it is not disproportionate.

If we want to compare the things a 22-year-old can't do, with things a 44-year-old can't do, because of both being locked down, then yes, the argument has merit.

I meant "it" being the "outdoor summer" and lack of gardens/owning houses and more so lack of public spaces affecting all ages be that 22 or 72. I was agreeing with you I think but you seem to be moving to a different argument so not sure... I believe over 70s are now fully vaccinated or close to it so not sure they'll be dying in large numbers over the summer?

 

[ann post]

well if we were planning on dying at those ages, then yes, those numbers back up that nonsense argument that's doing the rounds.

I'm glad added your last sentence there btw.

It depends on what assumptions you act on though - like say a spectrum between A and B here:

A: vaccines are great, 100% normality by october
B: endless mutations, lockdown twighlight for several years.

In both these scenarios 20 year old misses the same amount of time as a 40 year old, but 40'o'clock here already got to have those years of being a little shit and life for a while now hasn't really involved those formative social interactions. That window of youth is for some 3 years of college or for some 10 years of messy, but in either case, I got my years and they didn't.

Now in worst case scenario, the 20's have to move on into mortgageville having skipped what the world promised them, secondary school, zoom, mortgage and zoom. I get to sit back and rose tint my hazy memories while living not all that different to what i did two years ago.

If we all died at 40, I still got a way better deal than these kids. (also I'd be a zombie for the past two years).

I think it's not an unfair discussion - also they are the first generation who've been handed a shitter life by the olds in long time,

But I kinda think in the real long term, the women who were hoping to have met someone and started a family and like a lot of us had to shelve dating entirely are getting the most ripped off here, the rest of us still have the option there somewhere.

 

[nooleen]

Point is, no one has it easy.

I do

I'm safe and warm on a big couch eating a rasher sandwich

 

[rettucs]

I meant "it" being the "outdoor summer" and lack of gardens/owning houses and more so lack of public spaces affecting all ages be that 22 or 72. I was agreeing with you I think but you seem to be moving to a different argument so not sure... I believe over 70s are now fully vaccinated or close to it so not sure they'll be dying in large numbers over the summer?

no, thats fair enough. I didn't mean to come across as being awkward. To me its not clear what context a lot of people are making this argument for the younger folk, in. For example, @ann post, in his devil's advocate guise, quoted percentages of life for respective age categories, and those relate to the 15 months or so since this all started.

Taking this summer in isolation, I completely agree with what you said, and I agree 100% that Dublin is a load of bollox at the moment and the DCC could have, at the very least, put facilities in place for people to enjoy themselves safely. Its a joke some of the shit that's being said.

For an old bollox like me, I'm not affected in the least by what goes on in town. For younger folk, its a big deal for sure.

 

[Space]

no, thats fair enough. I didn't mean to come across as being awkward. To me its not clear what context a lot of people are making this argument for the younger folk, in. For example, @ann post, in his devil's advocate guise, quoted percentages of life for respective age categories, and those relate to the 15 months or so since this all started.

Taking this summer in isolation, I completely agree with what you said, and I agree 100% that Dublin is a load of bollox at the moment and the DCC could have, at the very least, put facilities in place for people to enjoy themselves safely. Its a joke some of the shit that's being said.

For an old bollox like me, I'm not affected in the least by what goes on in town. For younger folk, its a big deal for sure.

Well I think the people on twitter you were referring to and the post you shared were talking specifically about this summer, the "outdoor summer" as it's called by DCC in Dublin.

 

[rettucs]

It depends on what assumptions you act on though - like say a spectrum between A and B here:

A: vaccines are great, 100% normality by october
B: endless mutations, lockdown twighlight for several years.

In both these scenarios 20 year old misses the same amount of time as a 40 year old, but 40'o'clock here already got to have those years of being a little shit and life for a while now hasn't really involved those formative social interactions. That window of youth is for some 3 years of college or for some 10 years of messy, but in either case, I got my years and they didn't.

Now in worst case scenario, the 20's have to move on into mortgageville having skipped what the world promised them, secondary school, zoom, mortgage and zoom. I get to sit back and rose tint my hazy memories while living not all that different to what i did two years ago.

If we all died at 40, I still got a way better deal than these kids. (also I'd be a zombie for the past two years).

I think it's not an unfair discussion - also they are the first generation who've been handed a shitter life by the olds in long time,

But I kinda think in the real long term, the women who were hoping to have met someone and started a family and like a lot of us had to shelve dating entirely are getting the most ripped off here, the rest of us still have the option there somewhere.

conversely, the 20-year old has much more time out the back end of this thing than the 40 or 60-year old to live their life and enjoy themselves.

I'm not trying to belittle it. Just, its not that straightforward. Different people, different age cohorts, were all affected differently by this thing. We're coming out of it slowly. There's inevitably going to be a lot of frustration about how the younger age group won't get vaccinated until late-summer or autumn.

Ultimately, I don't think its healthy to be pitting one age category against another. Though I'm as guilty of that as anyone.

 

[rettucs]

Well I think the people on twitter you were referring to and the post you shared were talking specifically about this summer, the "outdoor summer" as it's called by DCC in Dublin.

the point of my sharing that post was who he was blaming.