Anarchist pieces on border issues or the Troubles in the North? (3 Viewers)

[Gambra]

Anyone know of anarchisty type books, zines, articles etc etc on these? I've had my fill of Republican propoganda on the topic but want stuff written by anarchist folk. Specifically I want any material to do with these:

1) Republican prisoners in England
2) critiques/opinions/news on the border itself
3) The border campaign of 1956-1962

Anything will be entertained though.

 

[Shorty]

Anyone know of anarchisty type books, zines, articles etc etc on these? I've had my fill of Republican propoganda on the topic but want stuff written by anarchist folk. Specifically I want any material to do with these:

1) Republican prisoners in England
2) critiques/opinions/news on the border itself
3) The border campaign of 1956-1962

Anything will be entertained though.

You're opening a can of worms there in terms of organised anarchist groups in Ireland at the moment, imho.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=67598

Try this though : http://libcom.org/library/ireland-nationalism-imperialism-myths-subversion

 

[Vin]

A collection of Irish anarchist texts written from the early 1980's to the mid 1990's on the conflict in northern Ireland and the respective roles of British imperialism, Irish republicanism and loyalism.


http://struggle.ws/wsm/north.html



Articles and statements about the Irish 'Peace Process' and the IRA cease-fires.

http://struggle.ws/wsm/peaceprocess.html


WSM position paper on the partition of Ireland.




http://www.wsm.ie/story/804

 

[rotten tropics]

I've had my fill of Republican propoganda

seems like you're looking for a fairly straight history book if you want something that lacks any big political slant or bias?

 

[the strange guy]

Reading a history book by an author with a specific political agenda will leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Even if you agree with the author, surely you're looking for facts, not opinions?
Sure, why not read a history of Stalin by an economist?


My ma picked up 'Irish History for Dummies' a few weeks ago.
State of that.

 

[nooleen]

i got john the 'xenophobes guide to the irish' a while ago (the classic birthday present picked up at the airport), it's actually quite good. it's more like the irish person's in-joke guide to the irish though.

 

[the strange guy]

There ya go, Gambra.
It's a start.

 

[CITY BABY]

Anyone know of anarchisty type books, zines, articles etc etc on these? I've had my fill of Republican propoganda on the topic but want stuff written by anarchist folk. Specifically I want any material to do with these:

1) Republican prisoners in England
2) critiques/opinions/news on the border itself
3) The border campaign of 1956-1962

Anything will be entertained though.

http://www.redaction.org/ireland/contents.html

 

[CITY BABY]

Anyone know of anarchisty type books, zines, articles etc etc on these? I've had my fill of Republican propoganda on the topic but want stuff written by anarchist folk. Specifically I want any material to do with these:

1) Republican prisoners in England
2) critiques/opinions/news on the border itself
3) The border campaign of 1956-1962

Anything will be entertained though.

Killing Rage by eamonn collins is well worth a read as well, about him Joining up as an idealistic young anarchist (on the advise on a english lecturer in his university) and the slow,steady decline into an emotionless killing machine.A great read ,pretty depressing though

 

[Vin]

http://www.redaction.org/ireland/contents.html

Just so you know Gambra, Red Action weren't an anarchist group and were highly supportive of the irish republican movement.

So, those articles wouldn't meet your criteria of being ''anarchisty'' or not ''Republican propoganda''.

 

[Gambra]

seems like you're looking for a fairly straight history book if you want something that lacks any big political slant or bias?

Oh no, I know the actual facts and I've read quite a bit on the issues. I want the biased and slanted accounts. I've been reading quite a bit of the Thatcherite propaganda and the Republican propaganda so I'm getting both sides of lies. It's like swishing through a load of shit and trying to find the gems of truth and the bits that kinda match up. Ugh.

Thanks for the links guys, I'm after any personal accounts and shit like that too. Got a deadly zine copied from the head of the History department from 1971 called "Black Flag". Hand typewritten by some nutso anarchist from London.

 

[Gambra]

Just so you know Gambra, Red Action weren't an anarchist group and were highly supportive of the irish republican movement.

So, those articles wouldn't meet your criteria of being ''anarchisty'' or not ''Republican propoganda''.

Red Action rings a bell.. They were friendly with the INLA weren't they? I'm being fed plenty of that kinda stuff already though that is a rather good link.

 

[Anarcho Munk]

Gambra, are you doing History or History and English in UL...?


If so, I've been thinking of maybe doing that next year, is it any good?


Sorry 'bout the off-topicness!

 

[Scientician 0.8]

May the Lord in his Mercy Be Kind to Belfast -
By Tony Parker (1993)
Oral history of Belfast with section on terrorism.

A Precarious Belonging: Presbyterians and the Conflict
in Ireland -
By John Dunlop (1995)

Ten Men Dead - David Beresford (1987)
Book on the hungerstrikers in 1981

The Long War: The IRA & Sinn Féin from Armed Struggle
to Peace Talks -
Brendan O'Brien (1995)

Biting at the Grave: The Irish Hunger Strikes and the
Politics of Despair -
Padraig O'Malley (1990)

INLA Deadly Divisions: The Story of One of Ireland's
Most Ruthless Terrorist Organisations

Jack Holland & Henry McDonald (1994)

The Informer - Sean O'Callaghan (1998)
About an IRA informer funnily enough

Political Murder in Ireland - Martin Dillon & Denis Lehane
(1972)

The UVF 1966-1973: An anatomy of loyalist rebellion -
David Boulton (1973)

Killing Rage - Eamonn Collins (1997)
An IRA man's inside account of IRA, author was later murdered.

Ireland's Holy Wars - Marcus Tanner (2000)
A long view of troubles in Ireland 1500-2000

Beating The Terrorists? : Interrogation in Omagh, Gough
and Castlereigh - Peter Taylor (1980)

The American Connection: US Guns, Money and Influence
In Northern Ireland - Jack Holland (1989)

Lost Lives - David McKittrick, Seamus Kelters, Brian
Feeney and Chris Thornton (1999)
A Biography of everyone who lost their lives in the troubles
up until 1999

The Troubles - Tim Pat Coogan (1995)


These are the books I have, if you want a loan of any of them and are willing to pick them up or get someone else to in Dublin give us a pm.

 

[Gambra]

Yeah, I'm doin History, Politics, Sociology and Social Studies. Imho, it's a better choice than choosing straight history or history/english. You choose 4 subjects from 6 in yr first yr and you can see if ya like em. 1st yr doesn't count for your QCA so you can fuck up as much as ya like and see if you actually enjoy the subjects instead of just doing well in them. I'm after picking History/Politics and I love it.

 

[Vin]

Red Action rings a bell.. They were friendly with the INLA weren't they? I'm being fed plenty of that kinda stuff already though that is a rather good link.

Red Action were a small marxist group in Britain, they were formed ''following the expulsion of several activists from the SWP in 1981 for their involvement in what was called squadism, a term that refers to violent actions against far right groups''.

Most of their members were of 'old skool' street fighting Working - Class Irish Republican/Socialist stock and based in North London, Glasgow, Manchester etc..

R.A. did have some links with the IRSP/INLA:

http://rsmforum.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=121&page=1#719


They are inactive now, i think most active members went on to help found the Independent Working Class Association (IWCA) in the mid 1990s.

 

[W.]

You're opening a can of worms there in terms of organised anarchist groups in Ireland at the moment, imho.

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=67598

Try this though : http://libcom.org/library/ireland-nationalism-imperialism-myths-subversion

Shorty, they are two of the worst pieces produced on the situation in the north by 'anarchists'. The first is a critique of an interim position paper without even articulating a position anarchists ought to take and subversion were just shite. (Our current position - http://www.wsm.ie/story/804)

This is where the can of worms starts. Also red action were not in any way close to anarchism, they supported bizarre shit.

I'd suggest just getting some of the WSM pamphlets on the subject if you're really interested, I'd say the platformist position of critical support without cheerleading national liberation or having a knee-jerk reaction to non-purist struggles is the best.

I'll give you an email contact for andrew flood if you want really specific stuff, he also wrote an 80 page pamphlet about republicanism this year.

 

[tommytrousers]

Chumbawamba wrote extensively on the sitch-e ation up north in the mid 80's-including a notorious diary type piece on the troops out movement published in MRR c.1988, a fairly typical piece of self righteous cack that sparked a lot of debate at the time on why english anarchos never consulted or even sought to talk to thewarzone anarcho folks when they came over to Belfast.

 

[D0njo]

Chumbawamba wrote extensively on the sitch-e ation up north in the mid 80's-including a notorious diary type piece on the troops out movement published in MRR c.1988, a fairly typical piece of self righteous cack that sparked a lot of debate at the time on why english anarchos never consulted or even sought to talk to thewarzone anarcho folks when they came over to Belfast.

cool, more about this!

 

[the strange guy]

It's a sad day when Chumbawamba crops up in a thread while still being on topic.

Is it not obvious why they didn't consult the local anarchists?
YOU DON'T NEED TO WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY RIGHT.