Afghan hunger Strikers (4 Viewers)

[broken arm]

fucking hypocritical paddy-mick irish bog heads.

 

[broken arm]

Not to rain on your parade SS but one of these guys is an ex offical of the Taliban Foregin Ministry and another is/was a memeber of Hezb-e Islami who are pubicly commited to Osama Bin Man

http://www.thumped.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=544186&postcount=2

 

[Rachel666]

The fact is, these men have NOT completed the asylum process. None of them were lined up for deportation. To hunger strike at this stage is just sheer stupidity. Had they all been told they were going to be deported it would perhaps be a different situation.

where did you get your information? the pub? "sheer stupidity"? do you have ANY idea what kind of desperation would make a person turn to hunger strike? some had their asylum turned down and were going to be deported, others where doing it in solidarity.

I think there is nothing whatsoever wrong with seeking asylum but to try and jump the queue with what basically amounts to blackmailing self-harm is not the right way to go about it.

what the hell... They aren't just doing it for themselves. In fact they are very well prepared to die to help the people experiencing the same struggle as them. They are not jumping the que. You are undermining and ignorant.

He is the head of UNHCR in Ireland, and he seems to think Irelands asylum system is fair enough.

UNHCR is run by governments, of course they aren't going to admit they're in the wrong.

I think it is really quite sick for people to encourage and support such a pointless and destructive behaviour, but hey, they get to take photos of the poor opressed foreigners to post on indymedia and shout about the evil racist state and wave their anti-war banners about.

again you are being undermining. oooh perhaps i am one of those indymedia reading idealists who shout about evil racist state! jesus, are you that dim or sad or protected or racist that you believe all this. Maybe you're taking the piss. Well the only people encouraging them to continue this are the people chanting racist slogans outside the church, the people trying to get them out of the country and the apathetic people who post ridiculous undermining shite from the safety and comfort of their lovely Irish home.

I get the impression some of the well-meaning fools supporting this would just be as quick to support someone to slash their wrists if it meant they got some nice pictures and articles about it.

yes because every reader of indymedia get's a good kick out of reading and seeing the suffering of people. jesus christ.

In reality if they actually gave two fucks about these men they'd be begging them to stop starving themselves RIGHT NOW.

In reality if Ireland gave two fucks about them they wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

 

[Antrophe]

Was down there tonight, anyone of any progressive persausion at all should make sure to get to that demo and the solidarity pickets after. There was a torrent of abuse from kids tonight along the lines of "let them die." Sad.

 

[quasiquasi]

Hmm that statement doesn't really answer my questions ...
I think if I was minister I'd have them all come into my office one after the other, while a plane revved up outside. If I didn't like them they'd go onto the plane, if I did they'd get asylum

Do you honestly think that would work?

 

[nofunchee]

http://www.thumped.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=544186&postcount=2

that's from the daily mail.

 

[nlgbbbblth]

Was down there tonight, anyone of any progressive persausion at all should make sure to get to that demo and the solidarity pickets after. There was a torrent of abuse from kids tonight along the lines of "let them die." Sad.

I have sympathy for the Afghan men and their predicament.

On the other hand I have nothing but sheer contempt for the pricks doing the heckling and racist chanting. There's some on indymedia who are perversely defending this behaviour - citing that these locals have been 'abandoned by their government' and are effectively 'immigrants within their own country' and that 'we need to talk to them before the right-wingers do'.

Fuck that.

 

[xrockridgex]

The fact is, these men have NOT completed the asylum process. None of them were lined up for deportation. To hunger strike at this stage is just sheer stupidity. Had they all been told they were going to be deported it would perhaps be a different situation.

Could anyone supporting this behaviour kindly explain why these men cannot complete the asylum process like everyone else?

I think there is nothing whatsoever wrong with seeking asylum but to try and jump the queue with what basically amounts to blackmailing self-harm is not the right way to go about it. Not only is it totally dangerous for these Afghans, it is deeply unfair to all asylum seekers that go down the correct route. They have called for an independent opinion on their case - WTF? is Manuel [SIZE=-1]Jordao[/SIZE] not independent or qualified enough? He is the head of UNHCR in Ireland, and he seems to think Irelands asylum system is fair enough.

I think it is really quite sick for people to encourage and support such a pointless and destructive behaviour, but hey, they get to take photos of the poor opressed foreigners to post on indymedia and shout about the evil racist state and wave their anti-war banners about. I get the impression some of the well-meaning fools supporting this would just be as quick to support someone to slash their wrists if it meant they got some nice pictures and articles about it. In reality if they actually gave two fucks about these men they'd be begging them to stop starving themselves RIGHT NOW.

As for the they'll all do it lark - em, yeah. Look at what has been going on in Belgium.

I'm with Manuel [SIZE=-1]Jordao[/SIZE] on this. These chaps should stop what they are doing right now and complete the asylum process like every other asylum seeker has to.

bang on

 

[broken arm]

that's from the daily mail.

cheers.

 

[saculusabcybium]

What I just heard on the radio, one of them voxpops -- fucking shocking. "But then they'll all try it!" Um, yeah, because people use hunger striking SO OFTEN AND EVERYTHING. There's a reason the last really well-known hunger strike in IReland was 25 cunting years ago.

Yeah and if it works people probably will try because the government has caved in, most of you probably wouldn't be to slow to scoff at a parent who caves into their demanding child, but no these are already multi cause anti everything heroes in some peoples warped heads. I suppose the socialist workers students carton commies have been there every night. And plenty of this behaviour will and does happen cos europe is seen as a soft target specifically because of idiots like this

They're only here because we let their country rot. We deserve all of it.

????????? I can't express how ridiculous far out man righteous white european guilt nonsense that statement is. It's a big bad world dude, don't beat yourself up cos your 'george Bush is evil' poster wasn't big enough at the last demo.

I don't see what the big deal is really. Let em stay.

Chaos... that's why there's laws Einstein. That's why they left Afghanistan.

Wow. I'm so glad sometimes that I'm leaving this fucking country.

What???,the guy finishes off by saying he's American!

All are anti-Taliban and fought against them."

They're hardly going to say they were Taliban were they.

Was down there tonight, anyone of any progressive persausion at all should make sure to get to that demo and the solidarity pickets after.

It must be dizzying up there on your moral highhorse, i'm obviously not of a 'progressive persuasion' cos my usually openmided opinions differs on this one, God bless the liberal agenda and it's accomadating attitude.

Now that i'm done insulting some stupid comments can i just say i'm not an anti immigration monster but i really feel this to me is just a cheap stunt/ blackmail / ransoming.. the law is the law is the law, and we live in a just and democratic society so i don't think we can really fault our laws.

 

[broken arm]

the law is the law is the law, and we live in a just and democratic society so i don't think we can really fault our laws.

*golf clap

 

[saculusabcybium]

*golf clap

I wish i knew what that was. Then you'll have to give me a minute to form an opinion.

 

[ICUH8N]

golf clap = polite applause
subtext = obvious

It has to be said though, the sheer scale of hypocrisy seen in:
"Now that i'm done insulting some stupid comments" folowed quickly by
"the law is the law is the law, and we live in a just and democratic society so i don't think we can really fault our laws."

AMAZING!

 

[broken arm]

golf clap = polite applause
subtext = obvious

true, but i was using it in a different context.

 

[ICUH8N]

what was it, pray tell? Are you sure we aren't referring to the same context?

sunday afternoons, so confusing.

 

[broken arm]

what was it, pray tell? Are you sure we aren't referring to the same context?

sunday afternoons, so confusing.

it doesn't matter anymore.

sundaze

 

[saculusabcybium]

golf clap = polite applause
subtext = obvious

It has to be said though, the sheer scale of hypocrisy seen in:
"Now that i'm done insulting some stupid comments" folowed quickly by
"the law is the law is the law, and we live in a just and democratic society so i don't think we can really fault our laws."

AMAZING!

I don't get you!, are you saying we don't live i a just and democratic society where the fact that the law is observed and upheld is the basis of our stability.
Or is something else i've said,... i see no hypocrisy here.

 

[saculusabcybium]

Or is it because i had the audacity to say this was a stupid comment

They're only here because we let their country rot. We deserve all of it.

The fact that the current situation in Afghanistan, a quasi nation only united under war sitting on the path of every marauding empire north east south and west has passed through here in the last few thousand years, that has been drowned in warfare for centuries is now my fault cos i'm from little old Ireland.

 

[broken arm]

Or is it because i had the audacity to say this was a stupid comment

as seen as you're starting to talk you could probably restart by explaining what you mean by Europe being a "soft target".

 

[saculusabcybium]

as seen as you're starting to talk you could probably restart by explaining what you mean by Europe being a "soft target".

Europe has become to polite to say boo! Europe savagely spilled the blood of millions worldwide for centuries and has now seen the error of it's ways, followed by obvious guilt. but i don't think that should mean people should be afraid to have opinions or to stand up for themselves. Tolerance and goodwill get abused by those who can play a card and get away with it especially when those who extend that goodwill begin to think others misfortune is their own fault.