Social Democrats (2 Viewers)

[7 - No tomorrow]

It is taking in 800,000 refugees, actual immigration is likely way higher than that, no?

Probably

How the fuck do you do that? The logistics of it.
Holy cow.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Just had a look at the stats. Germany has roughly as many people born outside the EU as reside in Ireland (north and south).

 

[Unicron]

Even they probably think they owe Greece a dig out from the humanitarian crisis after they crushed them under their boot in recent months.

Relatedly, I note that first Al Jazeera and now other organisations have announced that they'll stop referring to the people as migrants because it's pejorative, and start calling them refugees. I'd noticed the common use of the word migrants WRT this crisis and had assumed it was because people had decided that "refugee" was pejorative.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Doesn't sound pejorative to me.

Doesn't refugee imply an element of being forced to leave?
While migrant sounds like it has a lot more choice and free will to it.

Both applicable, I suppose.

 

[Unicron]

Doesn't sound pejorative to me.

Doesn't refugee imply an element of being forced to leave?
While migrant sounds like it has a lot more choice and free will to it.

Both applicable, I suppose.

That's what I thought, refugee is a bit huddled massesish

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Am I missing something?

They're coming to Europe cos they have no place else to go, or because they fancy it?

 

[Unicron]

Am I missing something?

They're coming to Europe cos they have no place else to go, or because they fancy it?

Bit of both I suppose, probably more of the former but Europe probably more attractive than other places once they've decided that leaving home is the right/only move for them.

What I'm trying to get at is that to me migrant makes them sound like they've taken more of an active role in the decision to leave, refugees infer a more passive state of being forced out, which I suppose is also what's happened to them. But I think it sounds better to describe them in the more proactive term.

Meaningless semantics probably

 

[nooleen]

we should just call them 'a great bunch of lads'

ugly scenes today as a great bunch of lads attempted to cross an increasingly militarised border

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Meaningless semantics probably

Relatively meaningless, I suppose

Finding somewhere for them to live and all that gear being a higher priority obv

Fucking rakes of empty villages in Galicia according to the radio.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Back on topic: The SDs announced five new candidates today with the promise of more to follow, they certainly don't seem to have any problem attracting 'talent'. A good showing at the GE combined with the seemingly inevitable demise of Labour could well see them replace Labour as the party of choice for those of a left leaning persuasion. No bad thing given Labours history in government.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Oh, the obligatory link

Social Democrats reveal five election candidates | BreakingNews.ie

 

[Unicron]

A good showing at the GE combined

Whispers of October BTW

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Whispers of October BTW

I had heard November but guessed the government would hold on as long as possible... FG still have at least one convention to hold and thats not until early October, I'm not sure about Labour.
Better start a thread on it soon.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Social Democrats Senator arrested in Dublin for allegedly breaching crime scene - Independent.ie

Strange (presumably drunken) behaviour.
On the SDs themselves, could they be considered to have had a good election? They returned their standing TDs but failed to add any new faces, not a great result given the total collapse of Labour.

 

[Unicron]

Social Democrats Senator arrested in Dublin for allegedly breaching crime scene - Independent.ie

Strange (presumably drunken) behaviour.
On the SDs themselves, could they be considered to have had a good election? They returned their standing TDs but failed to add any new faces, not a great result given the total collapse of Labour.

I voted for them, but it was more a personal vote for my sitting TD rather than for the party.

The general line of thought seems to be that one of their candidates in Dublin who came very close to getting in is very good locally

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Social Democrats Senator arrested in Dublin for allegedly breaching crime scene - Independent.ie

Strange (presumably drunken) behaviour.
On the SDs themselves, could they be considered to have had a good election? They returned their standing TDs but failed to add any new faces, not a great result given the total collapse of Labour.

How do they have a Senator already? I should know this.

And it has to be pretty serious feckacting in Temple Bar to get yourself arrested.

 

[Unicron]

How do they have a Senator already? I should know this.

And it has to be pretty serious feckacting in Temple Bar to get yourself arrested.

Report says he's ex labour so perhaps he was one of the Taoiseach's nominees to the last one and then left the party?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Yep, formerly of Labour.
Belligerently drunk at 8 on a Thursday, the Senators life sounds like a good one.

 

[therealjohnny]

Social Democrats Senator arrested in Dublin for allegedly breaching crime scene - Independent.ie
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I was hoping it was going to be Catherine Murphy

Take that shine off her halo.


Then I read "senator"

 

[therealjohnny]

I voted for them, but it was more a personal vote for my sitting TD rather than for the party.

Me too. Catherine Murphy is my local TD and has aroused strange feelings in me of "not shame" towards local politics, and given me someone I'm pleased to vote for. This is a new phenomenon for me.

I was joking about the halo thing