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nlgbbbblth said:just watched the rest of this
xsteox said:was actually thinking of ordering that a few days ago. is it actually any good?,or one of those films thats actually shit, but because it got banned it, you want to watch it, to see what all the fuss was about.
MONDOBRUTALE said:i thought conan was based on a comic? suppose ye olde snake god cult does fit in with the mythos....
Anyways, did anyone else think that the opening scene with Conan's
father presented a conflicting take on the Riddle of Steel than Thulsa
Doom's?
His father states "No one can you trust, not man, not woman, not
beast. This (points to a sword), this you can trust." (The musical
score to this scene is titled The Riddle of Steel/Riders of Doom).
While Thulsa Doom presents the riddle this way "Steel isn't strong
boy. Flesh is stronger."
Are these conflicting statements? My thought is that Conan's father
already knew the obvious (that flesh wielding a sword is ultimately
more powerful than the sword) and takes it a step further than Thulsa
Doom, to make a very Cimmerian point that a warrior must only rely on
himself and his sword.
Although, it could have something to do with Conan growing up, both in
a physical and psycological sense. While he used to rely mainly on his
weapon, people were refered to simply as an allied or an enemy. Then
when he meets Subotai and Valeria he confronts that ideal.
So neither of the two statements is more correct, but he has to decide
for himself. I like how Conan is more of a listener without judging
one way or the other. His father's possibly a bit primitive while
Doom's showing a deeper insight. However Doom is something of a Darth
Vader; he had the qualities to become great but misused them. The same
could happen with Conan (if I'm not mistaken he later becomes a king),
which fortunately it doesn't.
Then again, some people think that the "Riddle of Steel" actually
echoes/goes back to the Promethius myth.
And i know this is a little off topic does anybody remember what the
answer was to the meaning of life Conan gave?
Finally, to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to
hear the lemantations of their women. as for the riddle of steel, his
father never answered it, only introduced it to conan and warned him
that he would have to find the answer for himself, thulsa doom answers
it and conan proves it inthe end when his mind is stronger then thulsa
doom's hypnotic ability. through-out conan's adult life till doom
tell's him the answer he is worried that he will meet Crum and not
know the answer, so it appears that his father's advice was more of a
lesson in learning that men, and women, friends and lovers will at the
very least leave you, if not betray you. well, that's my
interpretation
Then again, our question can't be answered, since no one other than
Crom knew the riddle of steel. And your access to Valhalla is knowing
it.
Anyhow, I believe the father's take is much more feesible than Thulsa.
The whole "Conan character" that Arnold made is that you can't trust
anyone (apart from a select few), and that's what his father was
telling him. You're stronger alone than with others.
Remember C's prayer "Two stood against many". It's the whole essence
of the movie, being alone. An Odyssey (sp?). It's just the movie
itself...
I think they said the same thing but from different points of view.
Thulsa Doom shows the strength of flesh through faith by asking that
betty to step out into her inevitable death.
Conan's dad explained that Crom gave man the riddle of steel, and it
was up to man to protect its secret...in other words: Crom = riddle of
steel = faith = trust = the flesh that wields Crom's gift
Just my take.
andrew
hey, by the way .|..| .|..| .|..| .|..| .|..| .|..| for the copy of commando! I'm going to watch it tonight!!!ratmonkey said:Someone just brought me in King Boxer 2 with the legendary Bruce Le. Looking forward to watching this now when I get home.
MONDOBRUTALE said:i thought conan was based on a comic? suppose ye olde snake god cult does fit in with the mythos....
george mcfly said:not a comic, but the stories did appear in Weird Tales as i'm pretty sure a lot of Lovecraft's stuff did in the early 1930's. the comics didn't appear til the 1970's, but the were all pretty much direct adaptations of the Robert E. Howard stories
george mcfly said:so you could pretty much look at that as a lost Conan movie
Cormcolash said:Except that it's bollocks.
MONDOBRUTALE said:you grace jones wasn't actually acting in conan the destroyer?
MONDOBRUTALE said:you grace jones wasn't actually acting in conan the destroyer?
P. Littbarski said:We watched National Treasure last night...and it is possibly the worst film I have seen in a long time*. My brain was insulted.
I don't get Nicholas Cage sometimes...one minute he's a decent actor in a decent film (Adaptation, Matchstick Men, Leaving Las Vegas) the next he's a waste of space.
* and I thought Van Helsing was poor
avernus said:also saw The Interpreter the other day - excellent thriller. Sean Penn is of course deadly! its a total shoving popcorn in your mouth movie.
ReadySteadyJedi said:Loaded weapon (eh...)
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