Tour de France 2007 thread (2 Viewers)

[nuke terrorist]

Jacques Vivier (1930 - 2021)
never heard of him but the French rider won two Tour stages in the 50's.

Jacques Vivier

Jacques Vivier (born 1930-10-09 in Sainte-Croix-de-Mareuil, passed away 2021-09-27) was a former professional road racing cyclist from France, active between 1951 and 1956. His best results are 2 stage wins in Tour de France and winning Circuit du Cantal.

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[nuke terrorist]

The Queen's of the Classics are riding the first ever women's Queen of the Classics Paris - Roubaix... BUT the weather is the worst I can remember since Hincapie ended up looking like a mudman when he crashed into a ditch about 20 years ago and 30 minutes into broadcast there are still no live pictures from the race...ARRRGGHHH!

Mrs Deignan is in the lead.

 

[nuke terrorist]

HELL AWAITS... Men's Paris-Roubaix closing in on the first pave section
strange to say but the women were lucky yesterday compared to the heavy rain today.

just been a bad crash at high speed on a bend in a village- oh shit.
a guy skidded into a car.

great ride By Lizzie Deignan, probably a career best win.
the worst pave sections were really scary for nearly everyone except her and Vos.
I though Ellen Van Dijk might have a good shot but she never looked comfortable but after the horrible crash she at least got up and finished

as bad as conditions could be 20 plus years ago , I can't ever remember it raining during the race like this.
no matter how mucky the road was (e.g. 1994 Tchmil) it didn't seem to rain during the race.
huge change from the Worlds last weekend in Flanders when it was like August for the week.

 

[Cormcolash]

Haha what a fuckin race, absolutely love how completely covered in shit they all got!! Tell me if ya know, for that kind of race, do they use basically the same kind of bike frames but thicker tires than they'd use for the tours?

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Haha what a fuckin race, absolutely love how completely covered in shit they all got!! Tell me if ya know, for that kind of race, do they use basically the same kind of bike frames but thicker tires than they'd use for the tours?

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More or less... although there's tech changing quite a lot these days.

I'm not sure what the spec of a PR bike is now and they keep johnying around with wonder frames, but baaaaasically you'd want a long wheel base, long stays, I suppose nice and compliant carbon lay ups on said seat stays, and big fuck off 28-30c tyres.

They like the tubs, because you can ride them flat. For some reason the tubeless doesn't (?? I think ??) seem to have caught on. I'd have thought tubeless, with a nice fresh dose of sealant, would have been just the man, but they presumably know a bit more than I do.

For a long time the best riders would all be riding the same tyre, the teams would buy them and stash them in wine cellars for a few years or some nonsense, glue them up, and say a prayer over them on the day of the race. They might sticker them up with a sponsor's brand, but in reality they'd literally buy their own tyre to make sure they got the right one, I forget the name of the specific tyre maker, I think they had a weird green line or something. Anyway, at one point virtually the entire peloton used the same tyre, regardless of sponsorship.

One trick I copied off them when I was riding on really crappy surfaces is just double taping the bars. Your arse is going to be in a hape no matter what happens.

Really surprised to see the winner today, but... yeah, a few k's out the alternative was very bad indeed, so in that sense I was happy to see the result. Still didn't see that lad winning though.

 

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FMB are the lads who make the tyre... I must have made up that green stripe bit.

I like the way they give zero fucks about branding. Even the website gives zero fucks. We are the best, we will sell them to you, or not. You chose. Class.


link ->

PARIS ROUBAIX

 

[rettucs]

you have to love Colbrelli. A total 'fuck-you' merchant to those who think anyone needs to specialise in one discipline, be it climber, sprinter, TTer, etc, these days. He can do it all. He reminds me a bit of Ullisi, or even di Luca. Doesn't give a fuck - clearly juiced off his head, but loving life.

Anyway, I didn't watch PR. Would love to have, but something seemed off about having it this time of year. I'd be on the side of the riders here in saying that it needs to be kept in the spring when there's a better chance of a dry day. I cringed at some of the videos I saw of lads sliding out left, right and centre. Great TV, but when you've done it yourself a few times, it brings back nasty memories.

Instead I decided to go down and catch the tail end of the nationals. I was up just beyond the finish line and caught the last 2 laps. At the bell Feeley was looking dead comfortable sitting on Mullen's wheel, and I was convinced he'd take the race. But Feeley had no answer to Mullen's kick just before the line and he took his 3rd nationals (I've been at the finish line of all 3). Anyway, given Sam Bennett was never going to take this one, the hope was that we'd see Nico in the jersey in what would probably be his last year before retiring, or that we'd see it in Sam's lead-out train. I'd have liked Nico to take it, but it'll be great seeing the Irish champ's jersey leading out Sam next season.

Feeley is some man. For a total amateur he schooled some of the pros. He's been the top domestic rider by a stretch this year though, and wouldn't be that surprising to see him getting a contract with a conti team.

 

[nuke terrorist]

thank fuck Moscon blew it! detestable prick. at least there is some karma for Kevin Reza and Seb Reichenbach and lad he punched at the Tour. Moscon was 5th in Roubaix about four years ago and thankfully he never pushed on any further after getting wasted in the Ineos machine - off to Astana with him now.

the race was unbelievably dangerous. I thought anyone who had a contract for next year (or retiring)
must be looking for an early exit but nearly a 100 tough bastards finished the men's race.

I often thought it was staggeringly amazing the weather was so good for the previous 18 editions.

Sonny Colbrelli, he sounds like a wise guy from Jersey who does a bit of work for Tony Soprano every now and then, but he ain't. he's a bike rida, from the old country and a fuckin' good one - no shit! (but lots of mud).

Colbrelli had his best season this year aged 30/31. he reminds me a bit of Andrea Tafi, a bike rider's bike rider, a real trier and a regular winner of semi classics who took too long to win a big one. he's won at least 30 races though and like the rest of podium had never started Roubaix before.
Colbrelli has been a big feature in the Flemish Spring races for years.

never noticed the kid Florian Vermeersch from Lotto until today but he looks the business for these pave races. he's 22 and rode to win even after being in the break. couldn't have done anymore.
MVDP... well, lots more chances to come.

poor aul' Patrick Lefevere. his lads had a disaster with Yves Lampaert (6th) the only Deceuninck-Quickstep rider in the top 25.

Paris-Roubaix 2021 One day race results

Sonny Colbrelli is the winner of Paris-Roubaix 2021, before Florian Vermeersch and Mathieu van der Poel.

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Paris-Roubaix Femmes 2021 One day race results

Elizabeth Deignan is the winner of Paris-Roubaix Femmes 2021, before Marianne Vos and Elisa Longo Borghini.

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SARAH ROY after Roubaix getting power washed

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I honestly hadn't paid attention and didn't know the National Road Champs were on. sounded like a good day in Wicklow. always good to see the Irish Champs jersey in the world tour.

https://www.stickybottle.com/races-results/ryan-mullen-crowned-national-champion-in-co-wicklow/

National Championships Ireland ME - Road Race 2021 One day race results

Ryan Mullen is the winner of National Championships Ireland ME - Road Race 2021, before Daire Feeley and Conn McDunphy.

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[rettucs]

Luke Rowe is a bad man

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Luke Rowe is a bad man

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They were nearly out of Arenberg when Rowe did that.
Most senseless crash I've seen for a while.

 

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Luke Rowe is a bad man

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that was a shit one.

You can only assume he'd got the knock and was about to fall off his bike or something.

That's the sort of amateur hour shit you'd see in charity rides. And it's why you always ride at the very front of those sort of things.

edit: at the end of the day though, Moscon didn't win.

My kids saw the reaction on my face when he was leading it, and were badgering me with questions.

 

[rettucs]

that was a shit one.

You can only assume he'd got the knock and was about to fall off his bike or something.

That's the sort of amateur hour shit you'd see in charity rides. And it's why you always ride at the very front of those sort of things.

edit: at the end of the day though, Moscon didn't win.

My kids saw the reaction on my face when he was leading it, and were badgering me with questions.

word has it Rowe punctured. He should have dismounted if he wasn't able to keep the bike moving.

 

[magicbastarder]

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[nuke terrorist]

Didn't see that coming this afternoon.
Both Nico and Dan are leaving on their own terms. I can't imagine Nico won't be involved in the media a good bit. He and Phil Deignan put Ireland back in the top league of cycling.

Nico also got more attention this evening than Dan's announcement, which says a lot on how undervalued Dan is in Ireland by non bike people.
also RTE at 6 pm news mentioned Nico's times representing Ireland but didn't mention he won two Vuelta stages or finished 10 Tours or finished 22 of 24 grand tour starts. this really shows how the RTE crew just don't understand cycling.

Nico had the range of ability to win a few more races than he did but how many riders can you say that about?
as a teen I though being a pro would be beyond him and his first few pro years suggested a journeyman career.
But in 2008 he had a good run and was chosen for the Tour but a problem with the back of his knee kept him out. he came back bang in form in August and took 13th in the Vuelta but threw away a stage win when Imanol Erviti beat him in a two man sprint when Nico took it up to early.
A big disappointment at the time but the good times were back and never went away.
Cheers Nico. PS - the race diaries were good as well - that baldy fucker John Gadret!

 

[rettucs]

Didn't see that coming this afternoon.
Both Nico and Dan are leaving on their own terms. I can't imagine Nico won't be involved in the media a good bit. He and Phil Deignan put Ireland back in the top league of cycling.

Nico also got more attention this evening than Dan's announcement, which says a lot on how undervalued Dan is in Ireland by non bike people.
also RTE at 6 pm news mentioned Nico's times representing Ireland but didn't mention he won two Vuelta stages or finished 10 Tours or finished 22 of 24 grand tour starts. this really shows how the RTE crew just don't understand cycling.

Nico had the range of ability to win a few more races than he did but how many riders can you say that about?
as a teen I though being a pro would be beyond him and his first few pro years suggested a journeyman career.
But in 2008 he had a good run and was chosen for the Tour but a problem with the back of his knee kept him out. he came back bang in form in August and took 13th in the Vuelta but threw away a stage win when Imanol Erviti beat him in a two man sprint when Nico took it up to early.
A big disappointment at the time but the good times were back and never went away.
Cheers Nico. PS - the race diaries were good as well - that baldy fucker John Gadret!

jaysus Gadret, what a wagon he was.

Nico was a media darling, mostly because of his outgoing personality. He's a very warm, likeable guy, and that extended to his dealings with the media. Dan, on the other hand, was more of a closed book. He liked his privacy. The media don't get stories from guys like Dan, they do from Nico.

Nico is a great lad all the same. I had the pleasure of crossing paths with him a few times, both on and off the bike. I even bumped into him a couple of times in the airport, and he was always generous with his time. His attitude was always great.

Agree on that assessment of him as a rider. He was never really cut out to be a team lead. Ag2r thought otherwise and he did a good job for them, but challenging for overall didn't suit him. He always seemed more relaxed riding La Vuelta than the tour. Its a lower key race, and he never rode for Spanish teams. And that was always his best race. Just goes to show how pressure can be brought to bear. Was 2011 his best ever grand tour placing? He was bumped up a place after Cobo got busted. Froome was awarded that title, but we can ignore him and bump Nico up another place, cos Froome was doping too.

 

[magicbastarder]

there's a chance that there's a photo buried in my dad's slide collection somewhere of me and my brother out at the BMX track in marlay park, and in the background will be nicolas learning how to ride.

 

[nuke terrorist]

Willy Kemp (28 December 1925 - 18 October 2021)
Luxembourger Kemp rode 10 Tours between 1948-57 and won a stage in 1955.

Willy Kemp

Willy Kemp (born 1925-12-28 in Kopstal, passed away 2021-10-18) was a former professional road racing cyclist from Luxembourg, active between 1947 and 1957. His best results are winning a stage in Tour de France and 3 stage wins in Tour de Luxembourg.

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I wonder if there's anyone left who rode the Tour in the 1940's?

 

[nuke terrorist]

Oleg Tinkov fined $508 million in the US courts

Oleg Tinkov convicted of tax fraud and handed $500 million fine

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Willy Kemp (28 December 1925 - 18 October 2021)
Luxembourger Kemp rode 10 Tours between 1948-57 and won a stage in 1955.

Willy Kemp

Willy Kemp (born 1925-12-28 in Kopstal, passed away 2021-10-18) was a former professional road racing cyclist from Luxembourg, active between 1947 and 1957. His best results are winning a stage in Tour de France and 3 stage wins in Tour de Luxembourg.

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I wonder if there's anyone left who rode the Tour in the 1940's?

how could I forget RAPHAEL GEMINIANI! (b. 1925)

after extensive research (no shit! I checked every Tour starter from 1947-49) I have found two other riders from the 1940's Tour STILL ALIVE and both good ones:

Emile Idee (b.1920 (!)) rode the Tour 3 times 1947-49, although he never finished, he did win a stage in 1949. he was French road Champ in 1942 and 1947. Idee was 2nd in Roubaix in 1948 after losing a two up sprint to Rik Van Steenbergen.

Émile Idée - Wikipedia

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Émile Idée

Émile Idée (born 1920-07-19 in Nouvion-le-Comte) is a former professional road racing cyclist from France, active between 1940 and 1951. His best results are 3 wins in Critérium International and winning a stage in Tour de France.

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Jacques Marinelli (also b.1925) I knew mostly due to an often told story about his nickname. Marinelli took the yellow jersey and surprisingly finished 3rd in the 1949 Tour (behind Coppi and Bartali). his manager in an offhand comment said - "Our budgie (Marinelli) has been transformed into a canary''. Marinelli was known afterwards as la Perruche (The Budgie).

Jacques Marinelli — Wikipédia

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Jacques Marinelli

Jacques Marinelli (born 1925-12-15 in Le Blanc-Mesnil) is a former professional road racing cyclist from France, active between 1948 and 1954. His best results are 2 stage wins in Critérium Du Dauphiné Libéré and 2nd place in stage Tour de France.

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[rettucs]

Oleg Tinkov fined $508 million in the US courts

Oleg Tinkov convicted of tax fraud and handed $500 million fine

Russian given a one-year suspended jail sentence

www.cyclingnews.com

how could I forget RAPHAEL GEMINIANI! (b. 1925)

after extensive research (no shit! I checked every Tour starter from 1947-49) I have found two other riders from the 1940's Tour STILL ALIVE and both good ones:

Emile Idee (b.1920 (!)) rode the Tour 3 times 1947-49, although he never finished, he did win a stage in 1949. he was French road Champ in 1942 and 1947. Idee was 2nd in Roubaix in 1948 after losing a two up sprint to Rik Van Steenbergen.

Émile Idée - Wikipedia

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Émile Idée

Émile Idée (born 1920-07-19 in Nouvion-le-Comte) is a former professional road racing cyclist from France, active between 1940 and 1951. His best results are 3 wins in Critérium International and winning a stage in Tour de France.

www.procyclingstats.com

Jacques Marinelli (also b.1925) I knew mostly due to an often told story about his nickname. Marinelli took the yellow jersey and surprisingly finished 3rd in the 1949 Tour (behind Coppi and Bartali). his manager in an offhand comment said - "Our budgie (Marinelli) has been transformed into a canary''. Marinelli was known afterwards as la Perruche (The Budgie).

Jacques Marinelli — Wikipédia

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Jacques Marinelli

Jacques Marinelli (born 1925-12-15 in Le Blanc-Mesnil) is a former professional road racing cyclist from France, active between 1948 and 1954. His best results are 2 stage wins in Critérium Du Dauphiné Libéré and 2nd place in stage Tour de France.

www.procyclingstats.com

some man, nuke, fair play.

Whatever else you might say about Oleg, cycling was a more interesting place with him in it. He was a bit batshit crazy, but he didn't have the nasty streak that, say, Lefevere has. He pumped shitloads of cash into the sport for a number of tear, via 2 different teams - originally Team Tinkov, in their red livery, and then Saxo-Tinkoff, who I was a big fan of at the time. I liked the cut of their jib - mostly because I hated Sky, and Saxo were probably the ones most likely to put them back in their box.

I remember he kitted the whole team out in 'alternative' training gear with the branding, 'La Dacha', on it. Turned out 'La Dacha' is the name of his holiday home in France (I think) somewhere. Arrogant as hell, but somehow more funny than grating.

When the Giro came to Ireland, he liked to ride the stage in the morning, just before the race. I was stewarding out in North County Dublin somewhere, and remember him cycling by with some other lad. I was chatting to 2 lads and they asked me who yer man was. The only way I could think of to describe him was, the Abramovic of cycling. Apparently for that whole Giro, he had no bother getting around the route everywhere, apart from in Ireland. The gardai kept stopping him to tell him to get off the road. Poor Oleg.

 

[nuke terrorist]

Oleg was a bit nasty but entertaining. Riis split up with him after he publicly criticized Contador's performance at the Tour immediately afterwards.
if it hadn't been for sanctions on Russia squeezing him, he'd have been around longer.

looking through the riders from the late 1940's just meant scrolling down a wiki list of Tour starters and looking for the word 'was' when the link would be highlighted.

having said that I read a LOT rider bios doing this and I am pleased to say many of the lads lived into their late 80's to mid 90's and a few even longer (Ferdi Kubler died at 97).
on the whole these guys had longer lives than most. so there you go - keep cycling!