Madonner adoption row. (1 Viewer)

[Goff]

Danny Aiello is Madonna's father.

 

[Hector Grey]

Danny Aiello is Madonna's father.

he sold out leon, i don't like him.

 

[Corey]

Malawi. His home.

Of course she needs publicity. She would shrivel up and die without it. She's a media whore.

She has given a child a chance to be spoilt, priviliged, stalked, surrounded by media, turn to drugs as a rebellion/release, change his religion, get into fights with other kids who call his ma a prozzie, &c.

But hey, it's Madonna. She has the right.

Though I suppose every kid has that chance.

She should make do with what she has.

It's her motives I'd be worried about.

Goff right, madonner supervillan, baaddd woman. Unless Madonner retains some element of the child's natural enviornment, then there's every chance that the little chisler wont be able to survive when she releases it back into the wild as part of her ''audience with madonner'' special in 20 years time.

If she had one ounce of compassion in her dry salty bones she could, at the very least make sure to hack someone to death infront of the child each morning, and then kick it's face in before breakfast just for good measure. The vast, empty emotional space left by the impact of such tramua at a young age can at some level be beneficial to the childs development at a later stage; and to deprive the child of this developmental right is nothing less than abuse.These people have no idea, no idea at all....shame on them and their millions.

 

[Hector Grey]

Goff right, madonner supervillan, baaddd woman. Unless Madonner retains some element of the child's natural enviornment, then there's every chance that the little chisler wont be able to survive when she releases it back into the wild as part of her ''audience with madonner'' special in 20 years time.

If she had one ounce of compassion in her dry salty bones she could, at the very least make sure to hack someone to death infront of the child each morning, and then kick it's face in before breakfast just for good measure. These people have no idea, no idea at all....shame on them and their millions.

give her a break, i hear that she's rearing the rather special "african face crawling fly" to make baby feel right at home.

 

[Hector Grey]

and baby's dinner will be dropped in a crate by guy ritchie from his helicopter.

 

[Goff]

So true.

The same thing happened to me, what with all the bombings and the shootings in the "Troubles".

 

[Hector Grey]

man we are all so fucking white. what has the rza got to say on this?

 

[Lord Damian]

were there no adoptable babies in her native England, then?

fuck humans, she could've adopted a rainforest.

 

[Corey]

give her a break, i hear that she's rearing the rather special "african face crawling fly" to make baby feel right at home.

Pish-posh. Anything less than a daily mass genoicide in the nursery by ways of rocks and jagged rusty sheet metal is just an attempt to save face. She does'nt know what she's doing. The child will suffer.

 

[Corey]

So true.

The same thing happened to me, what with all the bombings and the shootings in the "Troubles".

Me,me,me,me.

Christ Goff, we're talking about Madonna here. Have some respect.

 

[Diddles]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From RTE's website...

04 August 2006[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Madonna sets up day centre in Malawi[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Madonna has pledged $3m of her own personal fortune to improve the lives of children in Malawi, one of the world's poorest countries.
She is to open a day care centre for orphans which will feed and educate up to 1,000 children a day.
It will also offer lessons in Kabbalah, the Jewish sect of which she is a devotee.




Stupid twat - imagine setting up an orphanage and then shoving some hokey fucking mumbo jumbo religion down little orphans necks. I've never heard the like of it in my life!

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[La La]

 

[Goff]

That Matt Damon or Wayne Rooney?

 

[La La]

That Matt Damon or Wayne Rooney?

i dont see colleen hogging the camera so im guessing matt

 

[Hector Grey]

gays don't get kids!!
peados out!!

 

[Diddles]

When i get my SSIA I'm going to get one of them brown babies. It'll grow up to be the Samanatha Mumba or Phil Lynnott of Finglas and I'll be rich, rich I say!

 

[Unicron]

Madonna's contribution to the orphanage was voluntary.

I never said it wasn't. It may have been the thing that got her the baby though. It could have been a case of I'll voluntarily give you shitloads of money, you voluntarily give me a kid.

 

[potlatch]

Ahhhh, would you look at the likkle brown babies.

Good article in the Times today.

Madonna's 'adoption' ignores realities of life in Malawi

The villages of Malawi need schools, health clinics and sources of clean water - not celebrity adoptions, writes Eleanor Hutchinson, who has researched orphan care there

Malawi is a very poor country. Access to food is a problem for well over half of the population; healthcare services are scarce and of poor quality. Although there are a number of new schools being built in Malawi, education for the most part remains patchy and over-subscribed, with class sizes in some primary schools at around 250.
Almost one in five adults is HIV-positive and one of the many offshoots of the epidemic is a rapid growth in orphaned children.

As his mother had died and his father felt he could not cope, the boy that Madonna took out of Malawi had been placed in an orphanage.

His father was then approached and asked whether the boy might be taken out of the country and he had agreed. Where then is the problem with David Banda being adopted by the pop star and taken out of Malawi to live a life of luxury?
The problems begin with the notion that, as this child had been put into an orphanage, he would never live with his parent or another relative again. Children, whether orphaned or not, do not always live with their parents and are frequently fostered by relatives in Malawi. The idea of adoption as a permanent state, where a child goes to a non-relative, does not seem to exist in Malawi.

One Malawian orphanage, that legally adopts children from their extended family, has had to develop a complex, drawn-out system in which they meet the families of orphaned children several times before the child is taken into their care.
During these meetings, the reality that placing the child in an orphanage results in the family giving up all of their rights and responsibilities in relation to the child is emphasised and reiterated. Though time-consuming, this system had to be developed as on numerous occasions children's relatives had, some two or three years after the child's adoption, arrived at the orphanage and demanded that their child be returned to them.

This brings us on to the second point - the difficulty of trying to understand what it means to be an orphan in Malawi. The idea of being an orphan is vastly different to the meaning in Britain or elsewhere in the developed world.

Given the region in which the "adoption" took place and the surname Banda, we can assume that this child's father is a Chewa. Like many central and southern African societies, Chewa children refer to both their mothers and their maternal aunts as "mother".

If you are a Chewa and your mother has an older sister, then she will be known as your "big mother". Equally, your mother's younger sisters will be your "little mothers". This is more than semantics. Many orphaned children whom I interviewed as part of my research into orphans in Malawi went to live with their aunts when their mothers died. According to them, the transition is easier because they were going to women who were already mothers to them.

Uncles also take on very important roles. In Chewa tradition your mother's eldest brother is an extremely important relative. While the nuclear family is in evidence in Malawi, very often the mother's brother takes responsibility for her child in times of crisis. While a biological father also has responsibility for his children, the child's maternal uncle retains the right to reprimand the father if he does not care properly for a child. If you are an orphaned child in Malawi from the central or southern region, it is your maternal uncle, and not your father, who will decide upon what is appropriate for you. If your mother dies, this hierarchy becomes particularly significant.

The question therefore arises: should David Banda be most usefully thought of as an orphan in need of a new family (in this case provided by a pop star), or as a child whose mother has died but who very probably has strong family structures in his village?

These children, like the vast majority of children in Malawi, live in extreme poverty.
While it is easy to conclude that their families have abandoned them, this is not the case. Remarkable as it seems, extraordinarily poor families take children into their households and care for them as well as they can. In fact, empirical research suggests that orphaned children do as well, if not better, than their non-orphaned counterparts.

Thus in deciding whether Madonna was right to take the child we need to remember the following: Malawians often leave their children in orphanages for a limited amount of time; and Mr Banda is not the only relative who has rights over, or who will feel some responsibility for, this child. Moreover, does Mr Banda know that he is permanently giving up his legal rights over his son? Do the boy's maternal relatives know that they too are giving up their legal rights over him?

And perhaps most importantly, does Madonna realise that she is taking a child away from a man who placed his child in an orphanage simply because he was poor, and who is quoted as saying that he will give up his son because he knows that he would be healthier and better educated in the US than if he were to stay in Malawi?
Perhaps if Madonna was to act in David Banda's best interests, then she would leave him where he is and instead of investing in an orphanage as she plans to do, she would use her money to provide his village and area with a school, a clinic, running water and untold other projects that could enable him and other children, orphaned or not, to have less hunger and better opportunities for the future.

Eleanor Hutchinson is a research assistant with the United Nations Research Institute for Social Development

© The Irish Times

Madonna should get AIDS and see if she likes it.

She has no fuckin' right to do what she did. Fucking whore.

 

[Lefty Frizzell]

Ahhhh, would you look at the likkle brown babies.

Good article in the Times today.


Madonna should get AIDS and see if she likes it.

She has no fuckin' right to do what she did. Fucking whore.

Shes doing an interview with Oprah this week to give her side of it.

Madonna just doesn't get it does she?

I can't think of anything worse than watching two meglomaniacs with egos the size of malawi gushing at each other for an hour.

 

[potlatch]

What day?