Latest TSA restrictions on flights in US airspace (1 Viewer)

[pete]

New rules imposed by the U.S. Transportation Security Administration also limit on-board activities by customers and crew in U.S. airspace that may adversely impact on-board service. Among other things, during the final hour of flight customers must remain seated, will not be allowed to access carry-on baggage, or have personal belongings or other items on their laps.

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/trav_adv/091226.html

 

[pete]

so i guess if you're going to attempt to blow up a plane you should do it 61 minutes before landing?

 

[CitySickness]

Always good to see a sensible, proportionate response.

 

[pete]

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/separating_expl.html

 

[pete]

Interview from 2007

BS = Bruce Schneier
KH = Kip Hawley, head of the TSA

BS: When can we keep our shoes on?


KH: Any time after you clear security. Sorry, Bruce, I don't like it either, but this is not just something leftover from 2002. It is a real, current concern. We're looking at shoe scanners and ways of using millimeter wave and/or backscatter to get there, but until the technology catches up to the risk, the shoes have to go in the bin.

BS: This feels so much like "cover your ass" security: you're screening our shoes because everyone knows Richard Reid hid explosives in them, and you'll be raked over the coals if that particular plot ever happens again. But there are literally thousands of possible plots.


So when does it end? The terrorists invented a particular tactic, and you're defending against it. But you're playing a game you can't win. You ban guns and bombs, so the terrorists use box cutters. You ban small blades and knitting needles, and they hide explosives in their shoes. You screen shoes, so they invent a liquid explosive. You restrict liquids, and they're going to do something else. The terrorists are going to look at what you're confiscating, and they're going to design a plot to bypass your security.


That's the real lesson of the liquid bombers. Assuming you're right and the explosive was real, it was an explosive that none of the security measures at the time would have detected. So why play this slow game of whittling down what people can bring onto airplanes? When do you say: "Enough. It's not about the details of the tactic; it's about the broad threat"?

KH: In late 2005, I made a big deal about focusing on Improvised Explosives Devices (IEDs) and not chasing all the things that could be used as weapons. Until the liquids plot this summer, we were defending our decision to let scissors and small tools back on planes and trying to add layers like behavior detection and document checking, so it is ironic that you ask this question—I am in vehement agreement with your premise. We'd rather focus on things that can do catastrophic harm (bombs!) and add layers to get people with hostile intent to highlight themselves. We have a responsibility, though, to address known continued active attack methods like shoes and liquids and, unfortunately, have to use our somewhat clunky process for now.



BS: You don't have a responsibility to screen shoes; you have one to protect air travel from terrorism to the best of your ability. You're picking and choosing. We know the Chechnyan terrorists who downed two Russian planes in 2004 got through security partly because different people carried the explosive and the detonator. Why doesn't this count as a continued, active attack method?

I don't want to even think about how much C4 I can strap to my legs and walk through your magnetometers.

http://www.schneier.com/interview-hawley.html

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

This is so fucked.
Flying is such a monumental pain in the hole already - part kindergarten, part protective custody.

 

[RSJ]

Hang on, so they're saying you have to sit quietly without a book or magazine or anything for a fucking hour before you land? Insano.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Hang on, so they're saying you have to sit quietly without a book or magazine or anything for a fucking hour before you land? Insano.

And no going to the jacks either.


Seriously, if we all accept that a few planes will crash every year, can't we make the leap to accept that a few will blow up?

 

[pete]

no filling in comment cards with anything other than positive thoughts

Joseph Hedlund Johnson, of Salem, Oregon, was charged with the federal crime of interference with the performance and duties of a flight crew member or attendant. He is expected to surrender to authorities on Monday.
The crime of interference with the performance and duties of a flight crew member or attendant carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

According to the complaint and a 13-page supporting affidavit, Johnson and his girlfriend, Caroll Ann Miller, boarded Hawaiian Airlines Flight 39 on Wednesday morning bound for Kahului, Hawaii, on the island of Maui.

Once aboard, Johnson became upset because he was not allowed to store his bag under his exit-row seat, according to the affidavit, which was written by an FBI agent after interviewing Johnson, Miller and the flight crew.

About 45 minutes into the flight, Johnson gave a comment card in a sealed envelope to a flight attendant, who opened it, read it and gave it to the lead flight attendant, who then gave it to the captain, it said.

"I thought I was going to die, we were so high up," the card said. "I thought to myself: I hope we don't crash and burn or worse yet landing in the ocean, living through it, only to be eaten by sharks, or worse yet, end up on some place like Gilligan's Island, stranded, or worse yet, be eaten by a tribe of headhunters, speaking of headhunters, why do they just eat outsiders, and not the family members? Strange ... and what if the plane ripped apart in mid-flight and we plumited (sic) to earth, landed on Gilligan's Island and then lived through it, and the only woman there was Mrs. Thurston Howell III? No Mary Anne (my favorite) no Ginger, just Lovey! If it were just her, I think I'd opt for the sharks, maybe the headhunters."
The "Gilligan's Island" references were to a 1960s-vintage CBS television comedy about a charter boat crew and their oddball passengers who become shipwrecked and wind up living together on a tropical island.

The pilot told investigators that, considering Johnson's earlier behavior regarding his bag, he felt threatened by the card and decided -- now about 90 minutes into the flight -- to turn the jet around.

The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) scrambled two fighter jets to escort the plane back to Portland.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/01/08/oregon.unruly.passenger/index.html

sake

 

[RSJ]

That's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.

 

[Livewire]

I would have gone much much further on the comment card, but waited until the flight was over.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100113/tts-uk-netherlands-airline-threat-ca02f96.html

An ArkeFly flight carrying 235 people from Amsterdam to Aruba in the Caribbean was forced to divert to Ireland on Wednesday after an unruly Dutch passenger made bomb threats during the flight.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

no filling in comment cards with anything other than positive thoughts


http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/01/08/oregon.unruly.passenger/index.html

sake

What an idiot.

You surrender certain rights when you board a plane.
One of these is the right to be a threatening dickhead to service workers.

 

[theoootini]

oootini's new flight regulations: take a few xanax before, during, and after any flight or prolonged passage through an airport.

sorted.

 

[nooleen]

What an idiot.

You surrender certain rights when you board a plane.
One of these is the right to be a threatening dickhead to service workers.

a short stream of consciousness essay about gilligan's island isn't really what i would call 'threatening'...

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

 

[rettucs]

Informative looking site

http://www.aviationreg.ie/


have to stick in a claim myself this week. Interested to see how that goes.