ISPs providing addresses of p2p users to the IRMA? (1 Viewer)

[RSJ]

what does this last sentance mean ?

It means that the people who bought the shite albums that sold millions and made millions for record companies now just download them, hence IRMA and them freaking out and suing people.

I think the crux of my point is that music used to be for people who were really into music. People who saved up their pocket money to get an LP every 7 or 8 weeks, and wouldn't spend music on anything else. When I say 'music' I don't refer to the commercial shite you'd hear on 2fm. I refer to more niche stuff.

I think nowadays, even the most ignorant of people have a better awareness of music. Its more popular in general, and thats largely down to the fact that people have access to more than what they can afford every couple of months (I was that soldier too).

There is a lot of bad shite because of this. But theres also a lot of good. I get the impression that its easier nowadays for a local act to get a bit of recognition and a bit of notoriety, and thats largely down to the fact that people can share music more easily. The more people that have it, and god knows people talk, the more people will know about you. Bottom line is getting your name out there, having people talk about you and generating general levels of interest in you.

Its just my opinion but I think illegal music sharing (and the internet in general) has played a major role in music becoming more popular for one, and in helping spread the word about certain bands for another.

Ideally people would go out and buy it if they liked it (a kind of try and buy if you like). If 100 people having my album illegally meant I sold 20-30 extra copies of my album whereas the converse would be no extra sales, I think I know what option I'd take, especially given the other 70-80 could still make cash for me by other means.

Its just my opinion and its based on my own experiences of downloading, and similarly, my mates.

I agree with you. But irma isn't doing this for the sake of people who are happy with 20-30 extra sales, they're doing it for the sake of "the commercial shite you'd hear on 2fm" which is what makes them money. The impact on niche stuff is a moot point in this thread.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

What else are they gonna do? They're damned if they do and they're doubly damned if they don't. They want to scare enough people into buying more music again. I'm not saying it will work but I can see why they're doing it.

 

[skinnerchinner]

oh you're right for sure but who in the public feels sorry for record companies? People are much more willing to give money to a band than to a corporation.

There is a lot of very serious talk at the moment of this being the last year of cd's, flick through the lefsetz letter and you'll see examples. Lefsetz is of the opinion that record companies are dead in the water; no one listens to the radio, media hype doesn't sell records anymore so artists have got no reason to sign to a major label. In a peer to peer age songs sell a band.

Of course media hype still sells loads of records but not in the way it did in the nineties....

who very seriously said this ?
the same cunts in major labels whos sales are falling that said vinyl will be dead
in 2 years twenty years ago , i dont believe them, but I am worried about bird
flu mutating into a human disease and pestilence and hairy men dressed as the
tooth fairy

 

[Lili Marlene]

Is there anyone here who refuses to buy music?

 

[rettucs]

The impact on niche stuff is a moot point in this thread.

ok, fair enough, I accept that point.

But, my opinion is still that from my point of view, and the point of view of the artists that I tend to like, illegal sharing/downloading is healthy.

 

[Lili Marlene]

who very seriously said this ?
the same cunts in major labels whos sales are falling that said vinyl will be dead
in 2 years twenty years ago , i dont believe them, but I am worried about bird
flu mutating into a human disease and pestilence and hairy men dressed as the
tooth fairy

vinyl is dead. No one has a hit on vinyl sales alone.

It'll never go away completely of course

 

[RSJ]

who very seriously said this ?
the same cunts in major labels whos sales are falling that said vinyl will be dead
in 2 years twenty years ago , i dont believe them, but I am worried about bird
flu mutating into a human disease and pestilence and hairy men dressed as the
tooth fairy

To be fair, compared to the volume of CDs sold, vinyl may as well be dead. It's a collector's item.

 

[skinnerchinner]

right that makes sense now RSJ

i'd say cunts who like oasis and travis still probably buy albums (as much as avg folk)

i'd say its a bigger problem with kids into hip hop artists who deliberately
put one or two "radio friendly unit shifters" on their albums

 

[skinnerchinner]

you dont get albums selling 1m vinyl copies
so major labels who are only looking at everything in dollar signs think of it as dead
its still serves indie labels well

 

[Lili Marlene]

Yeah, definitely. The argument is that the major label is dead, they serve no purpose anymore because people can find new music themselves and they already know the old music.
and if the market demand is that people WANT to download music for free then it's pretty stupid to try and stop it.

I dunno what the solution is, if a download 'license' system would work or whatever. I know if I like a record i'll buy it but I can't speak for everyone and I certainly hate paying for downloads

 

[It Will Never Last]

i'd say its a bigger problem with kids into hip hop artists who deliberately
put one or two "radio friendly unit shifters" on their albums

Close to nail on head there skinner.

The record companies are terrified by the fact an entire generation has grown up with the idea that music is free, and paying for music is for mugs.

Record shops are more likely to be frequented by 30-something office workers than spotty teenagers.

 

[RSJ]

right that makes sense now RSJ

i'd say cunts who like oasis and travis still probably buy albums (as much as avg folk)

See i don't think they will. I know a good few people who only buy one or two albums a year - for example my sister. She has a marginal interest in music, she used to buy say one album every two months, usually in tesco while doing a family shop. Now she'll download what she wants (or get me or the brothers to download it) and burn a copy for the house and one for the car. If she buys an album now it's probably a prince reissue or george michael's greatest hits. Same as friends of mine from college who now do the two albums a year/only gig is poxegen - they used buy an album every other week or once a month, now they download them to ipods and spend the money on booze. Price of leisure is going up (fags/booze/music/clubs/dvds and so on) so the things you can get for free will be the first to go - downloading albums and films for yourself and friends means you have more money for fags/booze. That's what's hitting major labels and causing IRMA to go after people sharing loads of music.

 

[jimmybreeze]

Yeah, definitely. The argument is that the major label is dead, they serve no purpose anymore because people can find new music themselves and they already know the old music.
and if the market demand is that people WANT to download music for free then it's pretty stupid to try and stop it.

I dunno what the solution is, if a download 'license' system would work or whatever. I know if I like a record i'll buy it but I can't speak for everyone and I certainly hate paying for downloads

Its just the simple fact that the record company wont get their vast chunk,and Itunes will lose out on their third for providing you with music you can only use with an ipod,or you can pay even more (to itunes) for drm free music,its crazy,and while its far easier for artists to get their music to people,less money trickles down to them after everyone gets their cut,and,per usual,we get ripped off

 

[Lili Marlene]

Apple claim to make no money off itunes, it's just a convenience they provide that encourages people to buy ipods. Steve Jobs says he'd sell the music drm free if he was allowed.
No one has any qualms about letting a major record company lose it's money when they're threatening to sue them.
Let the major record companies die, it's not gonna drop the demand people have for music or the incentive to make music. It will probably just mean a higher standard will be set.


or i'm completely wrong.

 

[skinnerchinner]

loads of people who like shite music (oasis), like music though
they think their shit bands are the best thing since sliced bacon

i think its more your sister "who listens to the jay-z fella who
used to buy singles and an occasional album or two who now
just downloads the jay z album and loves to play one song
off it , the one they are playing in tomango" that would be the
bigger culprit

 

[jimmybreeze]

Apple claim to make no money off itunes, it's just a convenience they provide that encourages people to buy ipods. Steve Jobs says he'd sell the music drm free if he was allowed.

or i'm completely wrong.

nope,they definately take a cut
http://www.futureofmusic.org/itunes2.cfm

 

[nlgbbbblth]

o
There is a lot of very serious talk at the moment of this being the last year of cd's,

There's a serious amount of back catalogue CDs, remasters, reissues coming out over the last couple of years.
Plenty demand still in my opinion.

 

[Lili Marlene]

I think he was saying that the cut that they take only covers the running costs of the operation, they don't make a profit on it

 

[Lili Marlene]

There's a serious amount of back catalogue CDs, remasters, reissues coming out over the last couple of years.
Plenty demand still in my opinion.

specialist demand sure but there is talk of shutting down the 'Tesco'/Woolworths etc. (whatever the american equivalent is, best buy or something?) sections of shops which don't really stock these catalogue cd's.

The argument that i'm making is that the demand for music is still there, it will always be there, but there is no reason for huge record companies to exist anymore.

 

[nlgbbbblth]

specialist demand sure but there is talk of shutting down the 'Tesco'/Woolworths etc. (whatever the american equivalent is, best buy or something?) sections of shops which don't really stock these catalogue cd's.

Walmart and Target in the US sell mostly chart CDs and DVDs. No back catalogue stuff really. A step up would be Circuit City and Best Buy who specialise in electronic equipment, CDs and DVDs. Back catalogue for those places is sporadic.