ISPs providing addresses of p2p users to the IRMA? (3 Viewers)

[theoootini]

I read somewhere that people were predicting the death of bit torrent because the torrents that you find on other sites are still actually tracked by TPB.

I'm fuzzy on the technology but I think as well as the links on TPB where you search for a torrent there is also something else going on in the background and TPB used to track about 70% of the torrents on the web. So even with the links at the other sites if TPB dies the torrent will too.

This sound right to any of the tech heads?

private torrent trackers aren't affected i would imagine? what.cd, demonoid etc? torrents will still be around.

 

[pete]

not sure but i think trackerless torrents & magnet URIs will partially address this

 

[Gambra]

I'd love an Eircom walled garden.. Boot up Firefox and you get three links, one to Eircom Email, another to Facebook and another to the Eircom homepage. That's all people on Eircom use right?

 

[pete]

they're talking with the pirate party & dick doyle on today fm right now

 

[Lili Marlene]

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/46903

BANNED FROM THE INTERNET

 

[Vinnie]

DETENTION.COM

 

[Gambra]

ThePirateBay is blocked already on Eircom. Need to do a few tests to see how fully blocked it is but the site is not accessible.

 

[ann post]

tis here.

 

[ratmonkey]

What DNS are ye using? They haven't just removed it from the Eircom DNS? Wouldn't surprise me at all if that's all they've done.

 

[theoootini]

pirate bay is offline y'all.

 

[jcdonaggio]

it's back now

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0825/breaking42.htm

 

[Gambra]

Yeah it's back now, I thought Eircom had jumped the gun but it was just down.

 

[pete]

Within just days of a Swedish internet service provider (ISP) dropping The Pirate Bay after being threatened with a fine, Irish cable ISP UPC is being threatened with an injunction by the big four music labels seeking to block the peer-to-peer site.

Earlier this week Swedish ISP Black Internet was threatened with a €50,0000 fine by a Stockholm district court and closed its service to long-standing client The Pirate Bay. However, within hours the controversial peer-to-peer sharing site was up on running on a different ISP.

In Ireland incumbent ISP Eircom agreed with the big four music labels EMI, Warner, Sony and Universal to block The Pirate Bay from 1 September.

UPC has also been asked by the rightsholders to block the service but so far has refused to do so on the grounds that it would be an act of censorship.

UPC confirmed yesterday that it received a letter from the solicitors acting on behalf of the music companies informing them that they are to proceed with an application for an interim injunction that would require the cable ISP to block access to The Pirate Bay.

“UPC regrets this decision by the rightsholders. We have throughout all correspondence indicated that we are very supportive of the position that authors and performers are entitled to be remunerated for their artistic efforts. As has been communicated in the past, we take a strong stance on the infringement of copyright - indeed our very own business model depends on the protection of such material.

“Notwithstanding this however, as a legitimate business we are required to operate within the confines of the law. We believe that there is no basis in Irish law for this request.

“This means we cannot and will not meet demands from private parties that we restrict access to certain content of the internet. To agree to such a move would be to change the nature of an ISP from a communications provider to being a gatekeeper that censors the material its users can access.

“We believe that censorship such as this should not be agreed upon by private parties but that it is a matter for the courts and other state bodies. Moreover, if UPC were to agree to such a request, this would open the floodgate from other third parties - equally convinced of the legitimacy of their position- that we block access to other material.”

UPC has offered the big four labels an alternative route to resolve the issue in the form of a forum that includes all stakeholders, in particular relevant State bodies.

“Should the rightsholders wish to address alleged piracy via The Pirate Bay, they should follow the example of their Dutch colleagues and take this up with The Pirate Bay directly,” UPC stated.

http://siliconrepublic.com/news/article/13715/comms/big-four-seek-pirate-bay-injunction-against-upc

 

[theoootini]

UPC can be cocks in terms of their service, but fair play to em for that.

 

[Froog]

could you get around an isp site block using a proxy or something?

 

[D0njo]

This is what eircom is saying when I try to download a torrent from piratebay-

ACCESS TO THIS IP ADDRESS RELATING TO THE PIRATE BAY WEBSITE HAS BEEN BLOCKED

also-

• eircom will not monitor customer’s activities at any stage, nor will it place any monitoring equipment or software on its network in order to facilitate this block.
• eircom will not provide personal details or any information relating to customers to any third party, including the record companies.

there are ways around this block of course, but is it actually safe to download the budgie discography from piratebay?

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3499110/Budgie

 

[theoootini]

get a new ISP.

 

[Froog]

easy to get around and zero chance of being caught, but yeah, fuck eircom, don't give them your business.

 

[MilanPan!c]

easy to get around and zero chance of being caught, but yeah, fuck eircom, don't give them your business.

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://thepiratebay.org/
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[pete]

LILY ALLEN SPEAKS OUT AGAINST MUSIC PIRACY



There are 20 illegal downloads now for every legal track sold worldwide, which is not only having devastating effects on the music industry but also on new talent and artists.

Pop sensation Lily Allen launches an attack on the Pirates and some of the richer more established artists on her blog this week:



I haven’t written on here for a while but I've taken the time to write this as I think music piracy is having a dangerous effect on British music, but some really rich and successful artists like Nick Mason from Pink Floyd and Ed O'Brien from Radiohead don't seem to think so. Last week in an article in the Times these guys from huge bands said file sharing music is fine. It probably is fine for them. They do sell-out arena tours and have the biggest Ferrari collections in the world. For new talent though, file sharing is a disaster as it's making it harder and harder for new acts to emerge. Heres a link to the article http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6828262.ece


Mason, O'Brien and the Featured Artists Coalition say that file sharing's "like a sampler, like taping your mate's music", but mix tapes and recording from the radio are actually very different to the file sharing that happens today. Mix tapes were rubbish quality - you bought the real music, because you liked the track and wanted to hear it without the DJ cutting off the end of each song. In digital land pirated tracks are as good quality as bought tracks, so there's not a need to buy for better quality. The Featured Artist Coalition also says file sharing's fine because it "means a new generation of fans for us". This is great if you're a big artist at the back end of your career with loads of albums to flog to a new audience, but emerging artists don't have this luxury. Basically the FAC is saying 'we're alright, we've made it, so file sharing's fine', which is just so unfair to new acts trying to make it in the industry.
You don't start out in music with the Ferraris. Instead you get a huge debt from your record company, which you spend years working your arse off to repay. When you manage to get a contract, all those pretty videos and posters advertising your album have to be paid for and as the artist, you have to pay for them. I've only just finished paying off all the money I owe my record company. I'm lucky that I've been successful and managed to pay it back, but not everyone's so lucky. You might not care about this, but the more difficult it is for new artists to make it, the less new artists you'll see and the more British music will be nothing but puppets paid for by Simon Cowell.


And it's not like there aren't alternatives to illegal downloads anyway. Sites like Spotify give us access to new music and different music without having to rip someone off - you can listen to tracks and see if you like them before you buy them. Then obviously there's MySpace, that streams music and helps acts like me get enough fans to convince record companies to sign us up.


If this sounds like I'm siding with the record bosses, I'm not. They've been naive and complacent about new technology - and they've spent all the money they've earned on their own fat salaries not industry development. But as they start to lose big from piracy, they're not slashing their salaries - they're pulling what they invest in A&R. Lack of funds results in A&R people not being able to take risks and only signing acts they think will work, which again makes British music Cowell puppets.
Is this the way we want British music to go? Now, obviously I'm going to benefit from fighting piracy, but I think without fighting it, British music is going to suffer.
I don't think what's out there is perfect. It's stupid that kids can't buy anything on the internet without credit, forcing them to steal Mum's credit card or download illegally. It's this kind of thing that the record company bosses, artists, broadband providers and government should be sitting down and discussing. I'm off to South America on tour today, but i'm going to be writing British artists, saying just this.
File sharing's not okay for British music. We need to find new ways to help consumers access and buy music legally, but saying file sharing's fine is not helping anyone - and definitely not helping British music. I want to get people working together to use new digital opportunities to encourage new artists- LILY Allen

Issued on behalf of IRMA.