Fuck Homeopathy! (1 Viewer)

[D0njo]

and let's not forget ; creator of "I've got the horn for.." the most popular thread on Thumped..

There we have it, I'd say it'll be unanimous.

 

[Diddles]

*morto*

Aw thanks you guys.

 

[ann post]

i only meh'd that to see if i end up ina gulag under most glorious gene poole.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

How do you meh posts?

 

[Diddles]

How do you meh posts?

I think you need to use crystals

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

I was chatting to a friend about this minor pain i've been having for about a year that conventional medicine with all its tests and explorations has failed to find an explanation for. The doctor said since all the tests were clear and its not that bad i may as well just put up with it which is fine most of the time except when i worry that its something sinister. My friend recommend that i see a kinesiologist - this is a new branch of science to me. I was almost convinced to go along until it was mentioned that the kinesiologist had recommended a homeopathic remedy to my friend along with other recommended tonics, potions and herbal teas. If someone recommendeds homeopathic remedy can you really take seriously whatever else they tell you? are there any other alternative/natural approaches to health that arent a load of shite and just go at it from a different approach to the regular doctors?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Blood-letting.

 

[pissypants]

I was chatting to a friend about this minor pain i've been having for about a year that conventional medicine with all its tests and explorations has failed to find an explanation for. The doctor said since all the tests were clear and its not that bad i may as well just put up with it which is fine most of the time except when i worry that its something sinister. My friend recommend that i see a kinesiologist - this is a new branch of science to me. I was almost convinced to go along until it was mentioned that the kinesiologist had recommended a homeopathic remedy to my friend along with other recommended tonics, potions and herbal teas. If someone recommendeds homeopathic remedy can you really take seriously whatever else they tell you? are there any other alternative/natural approaches to health that arent a load of shite and just go at it from a different approach to the regular doctors?

No you can't. I know a person who's son was being sent to a speech and language therapist. As soon as they started to reccomend homeopathic stuff to compliment the therapy they were dropped. "Natural" is different from "alternative" though. There are natural plants that help with various conditions. But when they work they're not considered alternative anymore.

 

[maims bond]

I was chatting to a friend about this minor pain i've been having for about a year that conventional medicine with all its tests and explorations has failed to find an explanation for. The doctor said since all the tests were clear and its not that bad i may as well just put up with it which is fine most of the time except when i worry that its something sinister. My friend recommend that i see a kinesiologist - this is a new branch of science to me. I was almost convinced to go along until it was mentioned that the kinesiologist had recommended a homeopathic remedy to my friend along with other recommended tonics, potions and herbal teas. If someone recommendeds homeopathic remedy can you really take seriously whatever else they tell you? are there any other alternative/natural approaches to health that arent a load of shite and just go at it from a different approach to the regular doctors?

Have you considered acupuncture? I know a few friends that have done it for injuries and nerve-related problems, they report good results.

 

[Psycho Punk]

Have you considered acupuncture? I know a few friends that have done it for injuries and nerve-related problems, they report good results.

I don't have any time for homeopathy but acupuncture seems to work.

 

[Squiggle]

I'd third acupuncture (and traditional chinese medicine in general). If you like I can even recommend the guy I went to (and still go to if anything needs fixing). It works.

 

[oh shit]

I was chatting to a friend about this minor pain i've been having for about a year that conventional medicine with all its tests and explorations has failed to find an explanation for. The doctor said since all the tests were clear and its not that bad i may as well just put up with it which is fine most of the time except when i worry that its something sinister. My friend recommend that i see a kinesiologist - this is a new branch of science to me. I was almost convinced to go along until it was mentioned that the kinesiologist had recommended a homeopathic remedy to my friend along with other recommended tonics, potions and herbal teas. If someone recommendeds homeopathic remedy can you really take seriously whatever else they tell you? are there any other alternative/natural approaches to health that arent a load of shite and just go at it from a different approach to the regular doctors?

Thing about 'conventional medicine' is that lots of times there is a scientific explanation for something it's just that your doctor or the particular doctor you've seen doesn't know about it. I once nearly had surgery that could have seen me losing a testicle because not one but two doctors mistook a hernia for a cyst. Luckily the surgeon did not.

Then there was the time I complained about a weird backache to my GP. I asked to see a physio, but the GP just told me to learn some stretching from youtube. A few days later it got really sore so I went to hospital to ask them. they said I was having a brain hemorrhage, so did a CAT scan. When that was fine, they did a lumbar puncture (ie, a spinal tap) to be sure. that was fucking sore. it was fine too though. so I was referred to a neurologist. I saw the neurologist 2 months later. he said I just needed to see a physio, but by then the exercises from youtube and some tweaking of my bike set-up had fixed it all.

then there was the pain I was getting in my knees from long cycle rides. that was a total mystery until another cyclist explained pronation and recommended some new insoles.

i could go on.

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

hmmm. fuck medicine, more like.

So what happens when you go to an acupuncturist and say "I have a pain in me side" or "theres something weird happening in my chest"? Do they just do a general treatment for the particular place you're having a problem or do they do some kind of tests?

I'm going to give up coffee for a while anyway, to start with. That's my solution to all lifes problems. It has to hurt if its going to work.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

then there was the pain I was getting in my knees from long cycle rides. that was a total mystery until another cyclist explained pronation and recommended some new insoles.

Did the insoles do the trick?I was having similar problems till I packed in the long cycles,tends to happen when walking now though.

 

[Squiggle]

hmmm. fuck medicine, more like.

So what happens when you go to an acupuncturist and say "I have a pain in me side" or "theres something weird happening in my chest"? Do they just do a general treatment for the particular place you're having a problem or do they do some kind of tests?

The guy I go to usually tells me when I walk in the door what's wrong with me! And the first time I went to him he diagnosed a jaw problem that had been totally missed by 6 medical practitioners and 3 dental practitioners in the previous 7 years (and treated it).

But yes, he does some tests. He uses a combination of treatments, depending on the problem - acupuncture, accupressure, massage, fluid driving, 'floating', cupping, diet recommendations and sometimes herbal supplements.

I went to him in bits, came out of every session feeling considerably improved and he managed to completely fix problems that neurologists had charged me hundreds of Euro to tell me I was just going to have to live with. After seeing the difference he made to me a lot of my friends and family have also gone to him whenever they've a problem.

He's based in town (near Merrion Square) and a treatment session usually lasts an hour or so, includes a range of treatments, and costs about 80.

 

[oh shit]

Did the insoles do the trick?I was having similar problems till I packed in the long cycles,tends to happen when walking now though.

yes, completely fixed. wouldn't like to be giving out internet diagnoses, but do you use clipless pedals?

basically my problem was caused by restricting the natural feet pronation, which is the slight rotation of the feet that occurs almost unnoticed when the leg is extended. when using clipless pedals the soles of the shoes are fixed to the pedal and so they can't rotate. this means that they are sneakily stretching the tendons on the side of the foot that would be higher up during the rotation. doesn't really matter but after massive repetition (about 60 miles normally) it suddenly starts to hurt all around the kneecaps like a bastard. crippling pain, and it took days to recover full movement.

so anyway no one in the bike shop ever warned about this, but this other rider recommended getting specialised footbeds. There are three gradations of these available depending how much you pronate. shops where they are sold have this cool little plastic board that you stand on for a few seconds and then the imprint of your foot is retained for about 20 seconds afterwards, and that's how you can tell which to go for.

then it gets more complicated, because everyone pronates differently. some people pronate inwards, and some pronate outwards. there are little shims that come with the insoles and sit underneath the toes and they will correct for the pronation by either raising your big toe on a slope (inwards pronation) or raising your little toe (outwards).

apparently you're one or the other, but there are some freaks (me) actually have one leg pronating inwardly (my right) and the other pronating outwardly (my left). I didn't figure this out til the next big ride, when I got the pain in my left leg only. I had the shims in my pocket so tried the opposite type and luckily it worked.

did it all by luck, trial and error, basically cos I'm too tight to pay for a professional physio to do a bike set up for me. however from now on if I feel any other unexplained knee pains, I'm just paying out. met a guy in his 60s the other day with a titanium knee after years of bad football tackles. not pleasant.

 

[oh shit]

ps - that's Specialized, as in the bike company

 

[pissypants]

So you think homoeopathy makes sense?

"Typical homeopathic remedies have a 30C dilution (of the "active" ingredient). To have a SINGLE particle left after a 30C dilution in water would require a mass of 15,000 times the sun and a radius of 28 times it."

http://3menmakeatiger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/whyhomeopathydoesntwork.html

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

Yes but they know that and claim that the water has retained the "memory" of the "active" ingredient.

 

[pissypants]

Yes but they know that and claim that the water has retained the "memory" of the "active" ingredient.

I'm aware of that alright, and as soon as they can chemically demonstrate this I'll be entirely on board.