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[Hector Grey]

African naivety. They'll never win a World Cup, like Pele said they would, till they cop on.

Natural athletes, all the same.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

The problem with Trap and us wasn't necessarily all Trap.

 

[washingcattle]

African naivety. They'll never win a World Cup, like Pele said they would, till they cop on.

Carlo Ancelotti's opinion too. He wrote about wanting to manage an African team in his autobiography. He believes some sides lack some organisation but have all the other technical attributes required to challenge for a world cup.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

I'm reading this as, "great athletes, these black fellas, awfully thick though"

Surely this is retrograde bullshit?

 

[Unicron]

I'm reading this as, "great athletes, these black fellas, awfully thick though"

Surely this is retrograde bullshit?

It's certainly still true that African FA's have little faith in African coaches, as for the whole African players are tactically naive thing, yeah that's bullshit.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

It's certainly still true that African FA's have little faith in African coaches, as for the whole African players are tactically naive thing, yeah that's bullshit.

Well, we've used Englishmen for most of the time since Eoin Hand.

It's a position you look for experience and success in. England themselves have gone foreign more than once.

I hate thick, lazy stereotypes.

 

[Hector Grey]

Well, we've used Englishmen for most of the time since Eoin Hand.

It's a position you look for experience and success in. England themselves have gone foreign more than once.

I hate thick, lazy stereotypes.

Ah, heeeor. I was only messing about the athlete thing. Reinforcing the stereotype, in order to expose its nonsense.

When major tournament time comes around, there's always some crises, though, isn't there? Over money or something. And also, when we say "Africa" people mean Nigeria and Ivory Coast and what have you, but Egypt and Algeria used to be pretty good. Morocco too. They went to World Cups and didn't Zaire all over the place.

But as for the players themselves, of course they've got the licks. Like Thuram and Vieira for example. They won the world cup. You could even argue Zidane.

 

[CinnamonBoy]

I'm reading this as, "great athletes, these black fellas, awfully thick though"

Surely this is retrograde bullshit?

I was only joking.
It's an ancient stereotype which has been trotted out for decades.

 

[Hector Grey]

I was only joking.
It's an ancient stereotype which has been trotted out for decades.

See, he couldn't hear us in our Gilsey and Dunphy voices.

Mediterraneans, no honesty of effort.

 

[CinnamonBoy]

Mediterraneans, no honesty of effort.

Will go to ground if you even look at them.

 

[Unicron]

Oh look, Nigeria won their first trophy in 19 years recently, having arguably the best African coach in history managing them, and his FA are undermining him.

World Cup 2014: Storm clouds surround Nigeria undermined Keshi staggers towards Brazil | Betting @ Betfair

 

[Hector Grey]

A further point might be: how will African coaches improve if they're not given the chance? You gotta learn to fall over in order to learn to get up or some other strangulated metaphor. You know what I mean.

England getting foreign coaches in was their way of suggesting that the problem was coaching. Rather than an endemic failure in their footballing culture, from kids football to journalism to the premier league. I mean, if Fabio Capello couldn't get them playing any better than a pub team, what chance does Johnny Englander have?

Uncle Woy is a pragmatist, with a knapsack full of experience. He has England playing as well as they can, and isn't afraid to kick sentimentalism out the door. Lads get picked on merit. But not just merit, they also get picked because they play for Man United. Maybe after this summer's glorious failure, they'll realise where they stand in the grand scheme of things.

The most successful English coach in the Premier League of recent years is Alan Pardew. ANd his team are French.

 

[Cormcolash]

Those naive Africans!!

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[Hector Grey]

He claimed it was a political act. I agree.

 

[CinnamonBoy]

That Zaire shirt is fucking deadly

 

[Hector Grey]

That Zaire shirt is fucking deadly

Zaire 1974 World Cup Retro Football Shirt | Toffs

 

[CinnamonBoy]

Zaire 1974 World Cup Retro Football Shirt | Toffs

Thanks Hector but no Adidas stripes or logo = no party

I'd say it's near impossible to get one. A 1990 Cameroon is selling for £175 on classicfootballshirts.co.uk

 

[Hector Grey]

Thanks Hector but no Adidas stripes or logo = no party

I'd say it's near impossible to get one. A 1990 Cameroon is selling for £175 on classicfootballshirts.co.uk

The real deal? Best of luck, chum.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Best thing about Cameroon's win in 1990 was the Herald running a competition that if you picked every result they'd give you a million quid - madness of course, the odds were incredible - and they were going to milk the hell out of it.
But every single person was out on day one. Just wonderful.