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[nooleen]

in fairness the video actually features a guy saying "have a nice day" and then silently following her for five minutes

i think most if not all women have had multiple experiences of responding to a guy just to be polite and had it escalate into harassment or worse

 

[washingcattle]

in fairness the video actually features a guy saying "have a nice day" and then silently following her for five minutes

i think most if not all women have had multiple experiences of responding to a guy just to be polite and had it escalate into harassment or worse

Look what I'm saying is that there is a huge difference between someone saying have a nice day and saying have a nice day and then following a woman down the street staring at her.

I'm sure that is true that about there being a real chance of something escalating but that is in the minority of cases of human interaction between a man and a woman. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. The tendency at the moment is to take the worst case scenario and legislate for that. It happens everywhere.

At the moment we as a society are afraid of viruses, paedos and muslims and poor people it's an obsession. It's crept into gender discussions. I mean we were discussing a short article about coffee shop etiquette that only got 6 paragraphs before it mentioned rape. It is scaremongering to continually remind people of the threat of rape or whatever escalating means in that article.

Look, I still think the video was a great way of drawing attention to a real problem. I get why the film makers included the "have a nice day" comments and even the fact that we're discussing it is basically what it's in there for. But the article you linked to and articles like it are in my opinion somewhat irresponsible in the way that they use the threat of violence as a consequence of even the most minor annoyance and a little misguided.

I'm off to bed now though so...eh.... have a nice evening.

 

[nooleen]

i'm just going to step out of this conversation now rather than let everyone in for 10 pages of you failing to get it.

 

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[7 - No tomorrow]

Secondly "could escalate" that's like saying that by going into a bank you are taking your life in your hands because banks get robbed therefore you could be caught in the cross fire. Anything could escalate. Crossing the road could escalate into being paralyzed from the neck down. Anything could happen. I think some of these campaigns are doomed because they play out at an almost hysterical level of fear mongering. This is why we can't take photos of our children in the playground. Because someone might be a peadophile. This is the same kind of scaremongering. The guy wishing you a nice evening might rape you. It kind of causes more problems than it solves.

But people don't die in banks. They almost never do.
People rarely get paralysed crossing the road.
Women do Get guys being complete dicks if the women don't respond to being harassed like it's a compliment and worthy of their time.
It;s not scaremongering, it's highlighting.
There are real things that happen every day, not statistical outliers.

 

[ann post]

A girl i know got videoed while doing sex against her knowledge and found out in the smoking area at work.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

A girl i know got videoed while doing sex against her knowledge and found out in the smoking area at work.

Stop scaremongering

 

[washingcattle]

But people don't die in banks. They almost never do.
People rarely get paralysed crossing the road.
Women do Get guys being complete dicks if the women don't respond to being harassed like it's a compliment and worthy of their time.
It;s not scaremongering, it's highlighting.
There are real things that happen every day, not statistical outliers.

Continually saying everyone with a dick is a potential rapist is like saying everyone with a kitchen knife is a potential murderer.

It may be a possibility but it's one possibility in a myriad of other possibilities just like everyone with a camera is a potential child pornographer, every muslim is a potential member of isis and every poor person is a potential rapist/drug dealer/burglar etc. When the Daily mail does this we guffaw but when it's the Guardian it slips by without anyone taking into account what's being said.

It's another lazy journalistic mistake and it does no one any favours.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Continually saying everyone with a dick is a potential rapist

Nobody here at all has said that. No one has mentioned the Guardian. You can argue that elsewhere.

This is about street harassment. The fact that it is widespread, is rarely acknowledged and then when the issue is raised it's called scaremongering.
It is not at all like the things you have listed there. It's a daily issue for many women. Encountering members of ISIS is not like that at all.
And wanting our sisters and girlfriends to feel safer on the street is not scaremongering.

Your general view seems to be that there are a lot of shouty women over the Guardian who should just tone the whole thing down as it is upsetting men, who just get a bad rap in pretty much everything.
When the truth for me is that men on the whole go through life with far better conditions that women on almost every level.

 

[washingcattle]

Nobody here at all has said that. No one has mentioned the Guardian. You can argue that elsewhere.

This is about street harassment. The fact that it is widespread, is rarely acknowledged and then when the issue is raised it's called scaremongering.
It is not at all like the things you have listed there. It's a daily issue for many women.
Wanting our sisters and girlfriends to feel safer on the street is not scaremongering.

The post you quoted was in response to an article which implied that if a woman responded to anything said to her in the street than the situation "could escalate" I was talking about journalism in the post you quoted not the campaign and not the video. So you're mistaken

I've said several times that I have no issue with the video or with the idea that something should be done to stop street harassment. I do however have a problem with journalism which seeks to normalise rape as a consequence for virtually any event.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Who or what link mentioned rape?

 

[washingcattle]

i'm just going to step out of this conversation now rather than let everyone in for 10 pages of you failing to get it.

I am also going to forget this instead of going on for ten pages of you failing to get it.

 

[washingcattle]

Who or what link mentioned rape?

The guardian piece mentioned rape, the piece I actually quoted in my reply made what I termed a "wishy washy" point about how a situation might "escalate" if a woman responded to someone saying "have a nice day"

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

What Guardian piece?

The escalation that comes from a woman not 'playing by the rules' of street harassment is usually a guy being a colossal dick and verbally abusive.
You're the only one talking about rape or the Guardian. And you're using it to bring in ISIS and pedos.

You're just raging on the heath, brother.

 

[washingcattle]

What Guardian piece?

The escalation that comes from a woman not 'playing by the rules' of street harassment is usually a guy being a colossal dick and verbally abusive.
You're the only one talking about rape or the Guardian. And you're using it to bring in ISIS and pedos.

You're just raging on the heath, brother.

Go back and read the last page of this thread properly and get back to me then.

 

[washingcattle]

What Guardian piece?

The escalation that comes from a woman not 'playing by the rules' of street harassment is usually a guy being a colossal dick and verbally abusive.
You're the only one talking about rape or the Guardian. And you're using it to bring in ISIS and pedos.

You're just raging on the heath, brother.

The Guardian piece about men in coffee shops, surely you remember that right ?

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Go back and read the last page of this thread properly and get back to me then.

The last page? This is the last page.

The previous page?

 

[washingcattle]

The last page? This is the last page.

The previous page?

Right I'm finished with this. I'm not going trough 10 pages of you being wilfully ignorant again. Don't bother replying to me again.