silo
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"If you dont understand what kind of people get 'punished' in punishment beatings"
i do, but that doesn't justify the act.
"(and actually its something sinn fein has spoken out against)"
but, as ever, actions speak louder than words.
"then you should do some research on the state of the policing system in the north, and why normal people make requests to paramilitary groups (loyalist and nationalist) to sort out troublemakers."
i have, and i'm well aware that i'd prefer the cheka as my police than the r.u.c., however...
"My point is, educate yourself a bit first before going down that debate route since its very murky territory and not always clear cut"
...sure, agreed. nothingh is ever clear-cut when a person or group is trying to act in a morally compromised position. you appeared to be implying a moral justification for "punishment" beatings and the like, at which point your argument rapidly falls to pieces.
"Outdated is your attitude."
this is just rhetoric. your subjective interpretation of what "outdated" means doesn't make it into a valid point.
"You obviously dont like shinners, probably think the north should be sectioned off and let them kill each other and more than likely dont really give a shit since your from the south and people years ago made sarcrifices for your current freedom so who gives a shit eh!"
now it gets pointless, and silly. there's no point in simply putting words in my mouth and then giving out to me for something i haven't gone near mentioning. needless to say, i disagree with the position outlined above; it's ridiculous, but i shouldn't even have to say that i do; you've said it and then attributed it to me.
"In case youve had your head buried somewhere for the past 7 years, you might have noticed most other people have moved on a bit from the mindless slagging of sinn fein without cause, a tradition well organised in the media, which you seem to like to carry on."
it's not mindless slagging, at least in my case. implying that you're the victim of a media conspiracy may to a certain extent be true, but that's got nothing to do with what's being said here.
"socialism? sin feins a bit weird in that regard"
too true.
" .. some are through and through solicaists, others arent. Im not."
which makes your earlier comments about working-class people quite strange: why mention them in a political context if you're not implying class conflict? this is having your cake and eating it.
"I just want to see peace in ireland and no other party really seems to be going that route except sinn fein."
you may well believe that, i don't. fine.
"Henceforth why I'd like to know why you feel the way you do about it..."
i don't have some special feeling which i reserve just for members of sinn fein. there are plenty of people in plenty of parties who are willing to put up with all kinds of hypocrisies. if i'm talking to someone about something political, i like to do so in such a way that hypocrisy is not obscuring other issues. that's all.
"and why you can assume things and post them at me as though you've a right to look down at me for being a shinner"
i don't have any such "right"; it doesn't exist. i'm not looking down at you, i'm simply pointing out certain things about sinn fein as a party which i find to be objectionable, after you asking me about them.
i do, but that doesn't justify the act.
"(and actually its something sinn fein has spoken out against)"
but, as ever, actions speak louder than words.
"then you should do some research on the state of the policing system in the north, and why normal people make requests to paramilitary groups (loyalist and nationalist) to sort out troublemakers."
i have, and i'm well aware that i'd prefer the cheka as my police than the r.u.c., however...
"My point is, educate yourself a bit first before going down that debate route since its very murky territory and not always clear cut"
...sure, agreed. nothingh is ever clear-cut when a person or group is trying to act in a morally compromised position. you appeared to be implying a moral justification for "punishment" beatings and the like, at which point your argument rapidly falls to pieces.
"Outdated is your attitude."
this is just rhetoric. your subjective interpretation of what "outdated" means doesn't make it into a valid point.
"You obviously dont like shinners, probably think the north should be sectioned off and let them kill each other and more than likely dont really give a shit since your from the south and people years ago made sarcrifices for your current freedom so who gives a shit eh!"
now it gets pointless, and silly. there's no point in simply putting words in my mouth and then giving out to me for something i haven't gone near mentioning. needless to say, i disagree with the position outlined above; it's ridiculous, but i shouldn't even have to say that i do; you've said it and then attributed it to me.
"In case youve had your head buried somewhere for the past 7 years, you might have noticed most other people have moved on a bit from the mindless slagging of sinn fein without cause, a tradition well organised in the media, which you seem to like to carry on."
it's not mindless slagging, at least in my case. implying that you're the victim of a media conspiracy may to a certain extent be true, but that's got nothing to do with what's being said here.
"socialism? sin feins a bit weird in that regard"
too true.
" .. some are through and through solicaists, others arent. Im not."
which makes your earlier comments about working-class people quite strange: why mention them in a political context if you're not implying class conflict? this is having your cake and eating it.
"I just want to see peace in ireland and no other party really seems to be going that route except sinn fein."
you may well believe that, i don't. fine.
"Henceforth why I'd like to know why you feel the way you do about it..."
i don't have some special feeling which i reserve just for members of sinn fein. there are plenty of people in plenty of parties who are willing to put up with all kinds of hypocrisies. if i'm talking to someone about something political, i like to do so in such a way that hypocrisy is not obscuring other issues. that's all.
"and why you can assume things and post them at me as though you've a right to look down at me for being a shinner"
i don't have any such "right"; it doesn't exist. i'm not looking down at you, i'm simply pointing out certain things about sinn fein as a party which i find to be objectionable, after you asking me about them.