The imminent decline of the USA (8 Viewers)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/04/25/wikipedia-nonprofit-ed-martin-letter/

 

[taubstumm]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/04/25/wikipedia-nonprofit-ed-martin-letter/

any kind of doomsday plan? move the whole org out of US jurisdiction and wait for better days?

 

[egg_]

There's a fairly seasoned legal team that's not afraid to fight, e.g. https://www.reuters.com/world/india...ns-chilling-effect-on-free-speech-2025-03-18/

The two main data centers (the ones with the live databases) are in the US, so moving would be complicated (but not impossible, if it came down to it)

 

[magicbastarder]

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[ernesto]

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At what point do they stop reporting his lies?

It’s just never going to stop.
It’s no longer news

 

[ann post]

I didn't take the bait on sharing but i saw an edit of this already this week that made the tan in the high castle look like he wasn't being a so much of dick.

 

[ann post]

(that is, they cut out a load of sentences of him not getting that it was photoshopped)

 

[Kermit McDermott]

 

[ann post]

He's gone with the yellow tie a few times now, after 'negotiating' with Putin went immediately to him achieving nothing

 

[magicbastarder]

is trump claiming that the obviously labelled MS13 on the photo - which i presume someone added to the photo to 'translate' the symbols - are actual tattoos?

 

[ann post]

is trump claiming that the obviously labelled MS13 on the photo - which i presume someone added to the photo to 'translate' the symbols - are actual tattoos?

yes

 

[snakybus]

My two cents on all of this is that, while the current administration and its leader have certainly done some irreversible damage, we are not going to see the dramatic decline that many are (possibly) hoping for and we'll see the US rally, like a sick dog, for a few decades more as the World Leader. I'm thinking of the GW Bush years and how isolationist it seemed, and yet it seems so mild now, and while you could say that this shows how bad things have gotten, you could also say that with distance comes perspective - we may look back and say it was isolationist but not that bad. Like North Korea isolationist bad. The question is whether someone more extreme than the current lad comes along. Hard to imagine - and admittedly in some ways his unabashed and broad-stroke assholery and outright stupidity is the aggressive kick that the US/world possibly needed (cynical of me, I know, given the human rights violations going on) to put it out of its misery and deliver us from what has been a friendly - and latterly not so friendly - world bully for half a century. But he only has four years and the Left is still strong and, as bad as Vance might be - possibly worse - he's way smoother and subtle and could make the shift more gradual and entrenched and altogether more steady and reasonable-appearing, with the Left having to live in their own shite and grind it out all the more until the American experiment/economy just sags, rather than implodes, after decades more of horrific teeth-gnashing and acrimony. Bleah.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

My two cents on all of this is that, while the current administration and its leader have certainly done some irreversible damage, we are not going to see the dramatic decline that many are (possibly) hoping for and we'll see the US rally, like a sick dog, for a few decades more as the World Leader. I'm thinking of the GW Bush years and how isolationist it seemed, and yet it seems so mild now, and while you could say that this shows how bad things have gotten, you could also say that with distance comes perspective - we may look back and say it was isolationist but not that bad. Like North Korea isolationist bad. The question is whether someone more extreme than the current lad comes along. Hard to imagine - and admittedly in some ways his unabashed and broad-stroke assholery and outright stupidity is the aggressive kick that the US/world possibly needed (cynical of me, I know, given the human rights violations going on) to put it out of its misery and deliver us from what has been a friendly - and latterly not so friendly - world bully for half a century. But he only has four years and the Left is still strong and, as bad as Vance might be - possibly worse - he's way smoother and subtle and could make the shift more gradual and entrenched and altogether more steady and reasonable-appearing, with the Left having to live in their own shite and grind it out all the more until the American experiment/economy just sags, rather than implodes, after decades more of horrific teeth-gnashing and acrimony. Bleah.

agree and disagree - but my 2 cents would be...

Isolationist is not how I'd describe GWB parts 1 and 2.... It was a very different approach even if some of forces circulating round it. It was very much 'world policeman' and 'global hegemony' rather than 'america first'. Wasn't mild for your average iraqi either. Bush was the puppet of the recycled reganites and neoliberals in the R party. That strand of thought now has marginal influence.

I do think hindsight allows perspective - but I would feel it also shows how a train of events can be set in motion. Every extreme change or act, normalises the next one to some extent. Trump and MAGA isn't a random aberation but the consequence of 40-20 years of small and large 'p' political developments in the states..

 

[magicbastarder]

The digital countermove to Trump tariffs

America’s mid-air dismantling of the global system of trade represents a one-time chance to compete

www.ft.com

 

[GO]

theres no let up

 

[ernesto]

when do the big riots kick off??

 

[GO]

My two cents on all of this is that, while the current administration and its leader have certainly done some irreversible damage, we are not going to see the dramatic decline that many are (possibly) hoping for and we'll see the US rally, like a sick dog, for a few decades more as the World Leader. I'm thinking of the GW Bush years and how isolationist it seemed, and yet it seems so mild now, and while you could say that this shows how bad things have gotten, you could also say that with distance comes perspective - we may look back and say it was isolationist but not that bad. Like North Korea isolationist bad. The question is whether someone more extreme than the current lad comes along. Hard to imagine - and admittedly in some ways his unabashed and broad-stroke assholery and outright stupidity is the aggressive kick that the US/world possibly needed (cynical of me, I know, given the human rights violations going on) to put it out of its misery and deliver us from what has been a friendly - and latterly not so friendly - world bully for half a century. But he only has four years and the Left is still strong and, as bad as Vance might be - possibly worse - he's way smoother and subtle and could make the shift more gradual and entrenched and altogether more steady and reasonable-appearing, with the Left having to live in their own shite and grind it out all the more until the American experiment/economy just sags, rather than implodes, after decades more of horrific teeth-gnashing and acrimony. Bleah.

I think the tide might be turning ..globally ..at last. With the Australians today having outright told their Trump wannabes to GTFO.... which is significant I think.. even more than the Canadians .
But its not gonna end with this orange clown..I think they'll pull some even worse gowl out of the bag . The racists in America are flying at the minute ... I'd be amazed at how they're gonna be put back in their box.

Trumps days are numbered no question..hes just too stupid be to be let continue on

 

[magicbastarder]

The Romanians seem likely to elect a Trump-alike, alas.

 

[taubstumm]

The Romanians seem likely to elect a Trump-alike, alas.

the bigger story here is that they already did, and were told that they had selected the wrong answer and they had to take the test again. a little bit like us and the nice treaty, except this time it seems that the romanians are not liking being told what to do. we may not like their guy, but the idea that the EU gets to play a magic joker card every time an election doesn’t go their way is a much bigger deal than the election of a romanian mini-trump

 

[taubstumm]

also, it was interesting trying to understand what had actually happened in the annulled election from last year. the romanian system is similar to the french one: two rounds of voting, with the second round having the two top candidates from the first round. so in the first round, the parties all fight to get into the second round, but they also fight to *draw votes away* from possible other second-round qualifiers.

it seems that what happened was that the national liberal party (centrist governing party) was the actual source of the campaign that was afterwards hurriedly blamed on russians. this was part of an attempt to weaken other parties to their right, by boosting the trumpy-far-right guy instead, as a spoiler candidate. but it blew up in their faces when that guy actually won.

Report ties Romanian liberals to TikTok campaign that fueled pro-Russia candidate

A campaign from a governing center-right party may have been hijacked to benefit far-right candidate Călin Georgescu, snoop.ro report shows.

www.politico.eu