nazi metal at the lower deck 28 feb (9 Viewers)

[Janer]

Janer, shut the fuck up you dodgey cunt.

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You don't say that when you take my money !bog

 

[mackle]

I'm sure Janer does

That was great

 

[pete]

Free speech by it's very definition cannot have a line drawn. If that happens, there is not free speech.

Oh yes it can and oh yes there is.

edit: to elaborate, from an American perspective:

Absolute free speech: Just what the name implies. Free speech is an
absolute right, not merely the most important right. When the U.S.
Constitution says that Congress shall enact "no law" against free
speech, that means "no law." Under this theory, anything goes:
pornography, slander, libel, invasion of privacy, incitement to commit
crime, talking to members of a jury during a break in a trial, and so
on.

Balanced free speech: In this approach, the desirability of free
speech is judged against other needs of society. Under this approach,
it might be OK to outlaw pornography, for example, because doing so
upholds morality and prevents exploitation. It might be also be OK
under this theory to make it illegal to criticize the President at a
time of war because it would embolden our enemies. With this
approach, free speech is far from absolute, and it is no more or less
important than other values.

Preferred position: This is the position that is most often used to
decide court cases in the United States. Free speech is seen as an
important, even vital, right but not the only right. Where there are
other rights involved, it is presumed that free speech will rule
unless curtailing free speech is the only way to prevent some sort of
grievous harm or abridgment of other rights. Under this kind of
reasoning, as an example, it makes more sense to lock up jurors during
a trial than to prevent public commentary on the trial. Or we would
allow almost any type of political speech as long as that speech
doesn't directly urge commission of a crime.

 

[Eddie Gorilla]

That's clearly not what I said, as I'm sure you were aware, Eoddy.

What's clearly not what you said?
You said "but black metal and what goes on within the borders of that sub-culture or any other for that matter is of no concern to anybody who is not interested in the music."

I personally don't believe in free speech for fascists, just because I'm not a black metal fan (and for your information, I am very interested in that sub-culture, how dare you just presume that as this is a "punk" forum I'm not) doesn't mean I can't be against fascist black metal.

 

[Janer]

do you really think people here listen to nothing other than punk?

I am quite disappointed that people from these "Punk boards" would listen to anything else besides Punk tbh.

and lay of this guy Jaysus Jisms fs he puts across some valid points and yes the minute we say something that doesn't fit in with the "trendy" leftie til I day stuff is branded a racist.
I mean I now have 2 people here who accuse me of being a racist cos I dared have an opinion fs


and btw I am so fucking glad Hamas won a landslide victory in Palestine, where the fuck did the Palestinians get towing the Yankee/Israeli line, cheek of the fucking EU/US calling it a sad day bla bla when they turn a fucking blind eye to the aggression and murder carried out everyday by the IDF with their US purchased weapons.

 

[Alan Remorse]

I am quite disappointed that people from these "Punk boards" would listen to anything else besides Punk

.....

this is a joke, right?

 

[Janer]

No its fucking not, this is a Punk board, you want to talk about these multi million selling "great" indie bands go here and talk to your hears desires

http://www.arcticmonkeys.com/

 

[Jaysus' Jisim]

Incorrect Pete. If you don't support free speech, fine, but don't pretend you do if you don't.

If the band in question bothers you, by all means, don't go and see them. But as i'm sure not many, if any, people here actually know anything about GBK other than the hype created by some paranoid idiot on thumped, opinions on the band are pretty irrelevant.

But at the end of the day, considering the theme of GBK, the papal inquisition would be the people to call rather than Mossad.

 

[Anarcho Munk]

No its fucking not, this is a Punk board, you want to talk about these multi million selling "great" indie bands go here and talk to your hears desires

http://www.arcticmonkeys.com/

This makes no sense, clearly I would have to put my head up my arse to see where you're coming from.

 

[Janer]

Maybe when you hit 16 it will all become crystal clear ;]

 

[Anarcho Munk]

Maybe when you hit 16 it will all become crystal clear ;]

Aye, old age is a right bollocks to one's perception.

 

[pete]

Incorrect Pete. If you don't support free speech, fine, but don't pretend you do if you don't.

What would be really funny would be me banning your account right now.

A cheap laugh for sure, but hey - let's just pretend I did, have a chuckle, and move on.

So what's your definition of free speech? Do you believe it carrys any responsibilities? Do you contend that the right to free speech overrides all others?

edit: in short, the irony of someone crying "BUT WHAT ABOUT FREE SPEECH" to defend a self-confessed "national socialist" (maybe you should read up on their attitudes to "free speech") is not lost on me

 

[Janer]

A few have agreed with Jism but not said so publicly because he had over -250 PP now he has +129

Anyway off to watch this in bed now...............


y'all behave now, esp you Pete

 

[Eddie Gorilla]

No its fucking not, this is a Punk board, you want to talk about these multi million selling "great" indie bands go here and talk to your hears desires

http://www.arcticmonkeys.com/

But........he's not talking about them here....and who mentioned multi million selling indie bands?...
Just cos yer on a punk board doesn't mean thats all ya can fuckin' listen to, Jaysus..fair enough if everyones goin' on about "great" indie bands all the time here, but they're not..

I guess the only valid point ya made was in that Alan *loves* Arctic Monkeys.

 

[Janer]

But........he's not talking about them here....and who mentioned multi million selling indie bands?...
Just cos yer on a punk board doesn't mean thats all ya can fuckin' listen to, Jaysus..fair enough if everyones goin' on about "great" indie bands all the time here, but they're not..

I guess the only valid point ya made was in that Alan *loves* Arctic Monkeys.

Today I had to put up with Rory Gallagher on these threads

 

[Jaysus' Jisim]

Pete, A band that you (wrongly as it happens) percieve as having a message that you don't agree with is no concern of yours. I don't like the subject matter of Cannibal Corpse for instance, but I'm not interested in having their gigs pulled. I just don't go to them.
If a punk band sang about things I didn't agree with, I obviously wouldn't go to see them. But I wouldn't be going anyway, as i've got about as much interest in punk as I do in Shaken Stevens.

That's the bottom line here.

 

[Eddie Gorilla]

Today I had to put up with Rory Gallagher on these threads

Are ya serious? Ya poor thing.
Why don't you just go look for where the real punx are at?

You don't have to put up with anything; least of all God-forsaken so-called punx who actually dare to listen to other kinds of music.

 

[Eddie Gorilla]

Pete, A band that you (wrongly as it happens) percieve as having a message that you don't agree with is no concern of yours. I don't like the subject matter of Cannibal Corpse for instance, but I'm not interested in having their gigs pulled. I just don't go to them.
If a punk band sang about things I didn't agree with, I obviously wouldn't go to see them. But I wouldn't be going anyway, as i've got about as much interest in punk as I do in Shaken Stevens.

That's the bottom line here.

Wouldn't have really thought so meself. A band saying something you simply don't agree with is different than a band having fascistic leanings.

And JANER, why are you defending him? He just said he has no interest in punk, so obviously he has no place at all here, right?! Sick 'im!

 

[pete]

Pete, A band that you (wrongly as it happens) percieve as having a message that you don't agree with is no concern of yours.

Bollocks.

From an Interview with Grand Belial's Key here:

I was born and raised in Germany and like to pride myself in a certain level of freedom people enjoy there. I have to wonder, however, whatever the hell has been going on recently in that the Germans are very quick to censor and boycott bands and ban them from performing their art. What was your reaction when you had become a target of this censorship for one of your albums?
Gelal: There's freedom in Germany to film and produce fist-fucking films, walk around in bondage at the queer LoveParade in Berlin every year, and open up your own Pakistani restaurant! I dont know what freedom you're talking about. Not much else. Ask Landser, Absurd, and Rock-o-Rama Records what they think about German freedom.

Grand Belial's Key, the fathers of U.S. Black metal, has made a mark in the metal scene. How do you see yourself as a role model to many young people who listen to and who get into your music?
Gelal: I have no role models in metal. I hope that no one is as delusional as that and believes in musical role models other than in individuals such as Ian Stuart, for example. Real role models should be arsonists and suicide bombers.

And so, because he doesn't explicitly refer to the scourge of pakistani restaurants in Germany, or the many good works of Ian Stuart when writing the lyrics for GBK, then that's alright?

I guess Skrewdriver's famed ABBA tribute show sideproject would have been fine too.

edit: for the record, i went to see Shakin' Stevens in the National Stadium in 1981

 

[Eddie Gorilla]

And that's the bottom line here.






!cheezy