nazi metal at the lower deck 28 feb (1 Viewer)

[frona]

Grind, who is this "real enemy" you speak of? Really, I want to know!

Oh and, you must spread some reputation around before giving more to Nooly

 

[W.]

janer your grammar is the least of your worries. anyway weeler's not exactly a private school boy and he was the one that corrected you...people claim to have 'read widely' and 'know their stuff' but in my experience reading widely gives you a good grounding in grammar, vocabulary and use of words. either people are talking shit or they've been mostly reading the beano. and you miss the early days when punk was shite as well so what does that say.

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[Shorty]

Cultural preservation? I enjoy eating soup with a fork.

I say we take nooly's idea and turn this into a foul language thread. Let's continue now children, today's word of the day is :

CUNT

 

[Vinnie]

What's wrong with liberals? They seem like nice folk.

 

[Janer]

Wow my PP took a battering on this particular thread

"you really are a dodgy bastard" (at a guess this was weeler dealer)

"HARSH DUDE"

"you're scum"

"music fascist"

"Janer just fuck off, you are an idiot - pure and simple - you lack intelligence. CUNT!"

"no they're not" (?)

and 2 blank ones too

 

[W.]

"I respect you taking a stand on this "

"maybe janer's mother could get a 167th trimester abortion" - was my favourite repping from this thread.

 

[Janer]

Just as well I know the chorus to sticks n stones

 

[RSJ]

Sticks and stones may break my bones
but you should see the shite they make out of skinny anarchists?

 

[brianoak]

Just as well I know the chorus to sticks n stones

The rap metal version is a favourite of mine.

 

[grind]

Grind your elitist pseudo-intellectulism and nazi apologism are entirely boring and don't really inspire debate.

Do you actually believe the far right are making any gains in Ireland worth mentioning? The celtic wolves putting up some stickers in the middle of the night doesn't exactly count. Do you really think they'll get more support because a shit metal band were prevented from playing? Especially when you consider that AFA have been using the same No Platform policy in Ireland for years and are well grounded in the working class.

Your use of the left-right paradigm and stereotypes are fairly pointless as most people on here are libertarians or anarchists, a lot of us have as much time for liberals and leftists as you do but don't feel the need to resort to irrational reactionary positions.

The debate is more or less over, lets talk about Wilhelm Reich and how your irrational politics stem from an internalisation of sexual repression. I'm sure Shorty and Mazzianne could school your ass.

No Pasaran!

My elitist pseudo intellectualism??Nazi apologism?? Sorry I didn't mean to come across like that, and what the fuck do you mean by my irrational politics?. All i am saying is that I have been interested in extreme left and extreme right politics for quite some time and after some research and actually getting to know some people from each scene i realised that sweeping generalisations and stereotypes don't really work and that there are always exceptions to the rule. I am not saying that these people are not national socialists I'm saying that just having an interest in certain things doesn't make you a nazi and that understanding what the other side is all about is the best weapon you can have. People seem very reluctant to learn about the right wing, maybe they feel there are some issues they might agree with them on and are afraid to have anything in common with such people, i know i was when i was younger. I went around with the nazi-scum fuck off outlook but that doesnt work. For example I am very interested in things like traditional music and the irish language, alot of people see that as negative or right wing, people take it too far as nooly seems to. When i said cultural preservation i didnt mean keep ireland like it was in the 50's, don't jump to conclusions. I meant language,music,history,folklore,landcape preservation etc etc the things that make us different from other countries,the things that make us interesting and stop us from just being a mini america. Just as if i went to Romania i want to experiene their culture if i go to egypt i want to experience egyptian culture because if theres no culture we're all the same. Our differences should be celebrated not fucking repressed thats where political correctness comes from, trying to pretend we are all the same when clearly we are not. No better no worse, just different.

The real enemy, the real enemy to me are not internet nazis,they are not 17 year old skinheads with skrewdriver shirts living in some suburb in dublin because at the end of the day what difference are they making? they might be racist but they are not hurting anyone else are they?they are entitled to their opinion no matter how idiotic it is to me. In ireland we have no real enemy yet but in britain they have the BNP and in France the front Nationale, political parties who are clearly negative forces and have an impact on people. They are growing in power and support all the time why do you think that is? Its because the left wing parties are supporting political correctness and thats having a negative impact on people so they turn to the right who claim to be pro-civil rights(ironic i know) but watch the world politics changing. In sweden kids cant wear swedish football jerseys to school because its seen as ofensive to foreign people, thats just one of the small things which is pushing up support for the right and now look you've got neo-nazi marches in stockholm! It's the little things that are making the difference, its the double standards which clearly exist in the western world. I support freedom of speech and opinion for everyone even the right wing who in my opinion have done nothing wrong until the have caused harm to others.

 

[nooleen]

For example I am very interested in things like traditional music and the irish language, alot of people see that as negative or right wing, people take it too far as nooly seems to.

shows what you know buddy. if you hadn't formed a sweeping generalised opinion of me based on this thread and actually knew me you'd know i'm very much into irish language, music, history and folklore. i just don't feel the need to bring hitler into it....

 

[nooleen]

In ireland we have no real enemy yet but in britain they have the BNP and in France the front Nationale, political parties who are clearly negative forces and have an impact on people.
I support freedom of speech and opinion for everyone even the right wing who in my opinion have done nothing wrong until the have caused harm to others.

so, innocent until some poor fucker is dead for being the wrong colour, that's your great philosophy? hmmm, not convinced.

 

[RSJ]

Sticks and stones may break my bones
but you should see the shite they make out of skinny anarchists?

nazi metal at the lower... 3rd February 2006 05:17 PM weeler you've got such the chip on your shoulder, cheer up big man.


Ah god bless ya weeler, you take this internet thing very seriously don't you...

 

[grind]

shows what you know buddy. if you hadn't formed a sweeping generalised opinion of me based on this thread and actually knew me you'd know i'm very much into irish language, music, history and folklore. i just don't feel the need to bring hitler into it....

No i based my opinion on the information available and at no point did i suggest you were against irish language,history etc etc. As for the hitler comment, i agree i dont think hitler or nazism has anything got to do with cultural nationalism. However the nazis were a group which took cultural revival and preservation to the extreme and many of the symbols they used were around long before their sick ideal and are important parts of peoples heritage, i agree with people using those symbols again, perhaps it will help to distance them from the sick ideology they are so often linked with today. But when you look at how hitler and the nazis came to power that is somewhat relevent, people supported them because they were made to feel that their culture was at risk. It's the same now, mass media and the right hyping the effect of immigration and multi-culturalism. Ordinary people who are only interested in cultural preservation see that the left(by this i mean political parties) has little or no interest in it so they turn to those who do who unfortunitly tend to be the right they then get into all the other bullshit involved in the right.Im only speaking from my experience in sweden,germany, france and england over the last few years.

 

[nooleen]

apart from a few irish teachers and lyncher i've never met anybody who could seriously give two fucks about irish culture. 'ordinary people who are interested in cultural preservation' sounds like no people i've ever heard of.
seems more like believing in the supremacy of your own culture just appeals to angry bullies who want to feel superior but have nothing else to latch onto, not the other way around.

 

[nooleen]

at no point did i suggest you were against irish language,history etc etc.

you said i seem to take the idea that interest in things like traditional music and irish are negative or right wing too far:

For example I am very interested in things like traditional music and the irish language, alot of people see that as negative or right wing, people take it too far as nooly seems to.

claiming that i think involvement in irish language, history etc is negative or right wing would seem to be suggesting that i'm against it, no?

 

[jane]

Where does one even begin? Nooly and Weeler, you guys make so much sense it warms me to the cockles of my blackened little heart.

First of all, anyone who truly considers him or herself a staunch advocate of the preservation of heritage and culture would have a deep and nuanced understanding that change is a part of culture, that influence from other cultures is an integral part of culture itself. There is no 'purity' in it, except for the pure simplicity of the fact that it changes. Constantly. Always. In fact, it is impossible to draw clear boundaries around a single culture, as the notional 'edges' are fluid and flexible.

To suggest that it can be 'destroyed' by outside influences, or by the change that is part of its very definition, is like keeping someone in nappies until he/she is a teenager just because you think babies are nifty.

More importantly, though, promoting cultural and ethnic tolerance is not the same thing as promoting some ignorant bullshit about racial purity.

 

[Janer]

Not 1 typo, most impressed Jane so much so you can have an honoury R for the end of your name, courtesy of moi.

 

[brianoak]

nazi metal at the lower... 3rd February 2006 05:17 PM weeler you've got such the chip on your shoulder, cheer up big man.


Ah god bless ya weeler, you take this internet thing very seriously don't you...

heheheh I got something to that extent but with more of a sarcastic undertone

 

[Corm]

Wow, what a pile of rediculously random shit. I can't believe I read as far as page 8 of this shit.

It's pretty simple, fuckwits: somebody publicly identifies themselves as a nazi/racist/"racialist"/national socialist/racial biscuitist, or whatever-the-fuck, and incites hatred or biase against others based on the colour of their skin etc, rather than anything to do with their individual behaviour, and so they deserve to get the shit kicked out of 'em. To refer to allowing these dickheads to spread such spiteful idiocy as "freedom of speech" is even dumber than being racist.

To end, may I just say "hhhnnnuuhh!!!", and clap my hands together palms outwards.