Veggie/Vegan Punks where do you stand on abortion? (2 Viewers)

[dregin]

Looks like he's already started picking the clothes and the dance routine to go with those freshly waxed legs

 

[W.]

Women have a right to control their own bodies, the idea that a woman has to either pay for a trip to the uk or else have a child they may not be able to support (being a single mother in capitalist society isnt always fun) reduces the woman to below the position of the unborn foetus.

Being vegetarian or not doesn't really come into it it's a matter of believing in freedom for women or not. I can see why a moralist might think that being veggie and pro-choice makes sense but when you know that person often revels in the death of troops in Iraq I can't help but wonder.

 

[Space]

Women have a right to control their own bodies, the idea that a woman has to either pay for a trip to the uk or else have a child they may not be able to support (being a single mother in capitalist society isnt always fun) reduces the woman to below the position of the unborn foetus.

Being vegetarian or not doesn't really come into it it's a matter of believing in freedom for women or not. I can see why a moralist might think that being veggie and pro-choice makes sense but when you know that person often revels in the death of troops in Iraq I can't help but wonder.

Don't you mean anti-choice there?

 

[Janer]

Women have a right to control their own bodies, the idea that a woman has to either pay for a trip to the uk or else have a child they may not be able to support (being a single mother in capitalist society isnt always fun) reduces the woman to below the position of the unborn foetus.

But why should a woman have more right then her foetus which if untouched should develop into a healthy child.......

 

[nooleen]

why should she have less?

 

[dregin]

I don't know much about the technicalities of it all, but sure it isn't that hard to put a child up for adoption, is it?

 

[nooleen]

nah, you just hang a 'free to good home' sign around its neck and sit it on the windowsill.

 

[nooleen]

and obviously there's no upset or social stigma involved in carrying an unwanted pregnancy to full term, then giving up your child (which is a lot cuter when it has developed into an actual human than when it was a zygote).

 

[xsteox]

Stephen your 30 years of age now!

yeah, and your 40 odd years old. so.

anyway w. made a valid point. you've posted up plenty of footage from ogrish and other such sites of american soldiers being killed.

 

[dregin]

Gwan and don't start giving me condescending, sarcastic bullshit. I'm assuming we don't agree on this issue, but falling back on sarcasm to side-step my point hardly does much to strengthen your side of the debate.

Anyway, I think the life of a child should be more important than someone being too embarassed to walk down the street.

 

[flashback]

What I am against is women having abortions as an afterthought/Contraceptive control

Well... what I am against is this whole New York City bar buy-back style abortion trend, like when you get three abortions, the abortionist gives you an abortion for free.


That's really out of order.

 

[Janer]

why should she have less?

When she has sex she must know the chances of becoming pregnant, why should the foetus die because of her selfishness?

 

[Janer]

yeah, and your 40 odd years old. so.

anyway w. made a valid point. you've posted up plenty of footage from ogrish and other such sites of american soldiers being killed.

99.9% of babies don't go on to occupy/oppress/kill in foreign countries now do they?

 

[Janer]

and obviously there's no upset or social stigma involved in carrying an unwanted pregnancy to full term, then giving up your child (which is a lot cuter when it has developed into an actual human than when it was a zygote).

Typical feminist woman/selfishness !baggyyyy

 

[nooleen]

put your handbag away and go off for a wank, janer. get the frustration out of your system. but think about all those poor unfulfilled little sperms you're selfishly wasting.

 

[nooleen]

Gwan and don't start giving me condescending, sarcastic bullshit. I'm assuming we don't agree on this issue, but falling back on sarcasm to side-step my point hardly does much to strengthen your side of the debate.

Anyway, I think the life of a child should be more important than someone being too embarassed to walk down the street.

who's side-stepping? i addressed your point - bringing up adoption as if it's as easy as copy and pasting a child onto someone who wants it.
and as for 'condescending, sarcastic' - describing the trauma of a crisis pregnancy as 'being embarrassed' - now that's bullshit.

 

[D0njo]

here, what the hell does this mean-

gorillas mot as scare now

who cares about abortions anyway, it's just dead babies

 

[nooleen]

gorillas mot as scare now
and donal, abortions affect us all......except people who aren't pregnant i guess...like all of us..

 

[xsteox]

99.9% of babies don't go on to occupy/oppress/kill in foreign countries now do they?

still people, still dead.

 

[nooleen]

100% of aborted foetuses never go on to commit any kind of violence. i'm not sure about their drink-driving record.