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I have someone blocked on this thread. He may have got my back up.
But I don't get angry anymore.
I have shed that skin. All enlightened and whatnot.
But I don't get angry anymore.
I have shed that skin. All enlightened and whatnot.
I think it bothers me that because this spiv gave the US govt a black eye (no bad thing) a huge amount of people seem to give him a pass for eternity.
That the only explanation for this case is a massive secretive governmental conspiracy and not the far more likely (based on the evidence) situation that he is self-serving opportunist that uses and discards people. And he's a coward, hiding from his accusers.
Every action by him has been consistent with someone that is guilty of these charges.
It bothers me that people are willing to get into the nuts and bolts of what rape is and what it is not to try and mine some seam of innocence for this shitbag.
And that no one presents a case other than nebulous twitterings about how nefarious the CIA are.
There. I feel better now.
That the only explanation for this case is a massive secretive governmental conspiracy and not the far more likely (based on the evidence) situation that he is self-serving opportunist that uses and discards people. And he's a coward, hiding from his accusers.
Every action by him has been consistent with someone that is guilty of these charges.
It bothers me that people are willing to get into the nuts and bolts of what rape is and what it is not to try and mine some seam of innocence for this shitbag.
And that no one presents a case other than nebulous twitterings about how nefarious the CIA are.
There. I feel better now.
David Kronenbourg
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nice use of the word spiv there
тхеодоре кацзынски
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He hasn't been seen in a long time.
I expect no one to read this (long as fuck), but it's great
Written by a friend of his
LRB · Andrew O’Hagan · Ghosting: Julian Assange
And here’s the hard bit. Those of us who grew up in the 1980s and 1990s, especially in the United Kingdom under Thatcher and Blair, those of us who lived through the Troubles and the Falklands War, the miners’ strike, the deregulation of the City, and Iraq, believed that exposing secret deals and covert operations would prove a godsend. When WikiLeaks began this process in 2010, it felt, to me anyhow, but also to many others that this might turn out to be the greatest contribution to democracy since the end of the Cold War. A new kind of openness suddenly looked possible: technology might allow people to watch their watchers, at last, and to inspect the secrets being kept, supposedly in our name, and to expose fraud and exploitation wherever it was encountered in the new media age. It wasn’t a subtle plan but it smacked of the kind of idealism that many of us hadn’t felt for a while in British life, where big moral programmes on the left are thin on the ground. Assange looked like a counter-warrior and a man not made for the deathly compromises of party politics. And he seemed deeply connected to the web’s powers of surveillance and counter-surveillance. What happened, though, is that big government opposition to WikiLeaks’s work – which continues – became confused, not least in Assange’s mind, with the rape accusations against him. It has been a fatal conflation. There’s a distinct lack of clarity in Julian’s approach, a lack that is, I’m afraid, only reinforced by the people he has working with him. Only today, he sent me an email – hearing I was writing this piece – telling me it was illegal for me to speak out without what he called ‘appropriate consultation’ with him. He wrote of his precarious situation and of the FBI investigation into his activities. ‘I have been detained,’ he said, ‘without charge, for 1000 days.’ And there it is, the old conflation, implying that his detention is to do with his work against secret-keepers in America. It is not. He was detained at Ellingham Hall while appealing against a request to extradite him to Sweden to answer questions relating to two rape allegations. A man who conflates such truths loses his moral authority right there: I tried to spell this out to him while writing the book, but he wouldn’t listen, sometimes suggesting I was naive not to consider the rape allegations to have been a ‘honey trap’ set by dark foreign forces, or that the Swedes were merely keen to extradite him to America. Because he has no ability to see through other people’s eyes he can’t see how dishonest this conflation seems even to supporters such as me. It was a trap he built for himself when he refused to go to Sweden and instead went into the embassy of a nation not famous for its respect for freedom of speech. He will always have an answer to these points. But there is no real answer. He made a massive tactical error in not going to Sweden to clear his name.
Written by a friend of his
LRB · Andrew O’Hagan · Ghosting: Julian Assange
And here’s the hard bit. Those of us who grew up in the 1980s and 1990s, especially in the United Kingdom under Thatcher and Blair, those of us who lived through the Troubles and the Falklands War, the miners’ strike, the deregulation of the City, and Iraq, believed that exposing secret deals and covert operations would prove a godsend. When WikiLeaks began this process in 2010, it felt, to me anyhow, but also to many others that this might turn out to be the greatest contribution to democracy since the end of the Cold War. A new kind of openness suddenly looked possible: technology might allow people to watch their watchers, at last, and to inspect the secrets being kept, supposedly in our name, and to expose fraud and exploitation wherever it was encountered in the new media age. It wasn’t a subtle plan but it smacked of the kind of idealism that many of us hadn’t felt for a while in British life, where big moral programmes on the left are thin on the ground. Assange looked like a counter-warrior and a man not made for the deathly compromises of party politics. And he seemed deeply connected to the web’s powers of surveillance and counter-surveillance. What happened, though, is that big government opposition to WikiLeaks’s work – which continues – became confused, not least in Assange’s mind, with the rape accusations against him. It has been a fatal conflation. There’s a distinct lack of clarity in Julian’s approach, a lack that is, I’m afraid, only reinforced by the people he has working with him. Only today, he sent me an email – hearing I was writing this piece – telling me it was illegal for me to speak out without what he called ‘appropriate consultation’ with him. He wrote of his precarious situation and of the FBI investigation into his activities. ‘I have been detained,’ he said, ‘without charge, for 1000 days.’ And there it is, the old conflation, implying that his detention is to do with his work against secret-keepers in America. It is not. He was detained at Ellingham Hall while appealing against a request to extradite him to Sweden to answer questions relating to two rape allegations. A man who conflates such truths loses his moral authority right there: I tried to spell this out to him while writing the book, but he wouldn’t listen, sometimes suggesting I was naive not to consider the rape allegations to have been a ‘honey trap’ set by dark foreign forces, or that the Swedes were merely keen to extradite him to America. Because he has no ability to see through other people’s eyes he can’t see how dishonest this conflation seems even to supporters such as me. It was a trap he built for himself when he refused to go to Sweden and instead went into the embassy of a nation not famous for its respect for freedom of speech. He will always have an answer to these points. But there is no real answer. He made a massive tactical error in not going to Sweden to clear his name.
тхеодоре кацзынски
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I got through about a third of it, he's obviously a bit mental. The Ecuadorians must be sick of him by now.
So Chelsea Manning's sentence has been commuted, only days after Wikileaks said that Julian Assange will voluntarily go to America if she was let out...
He should tell them to fuck off
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I doubt if Assanges statement had any influence on Obama though.
highly unlikely, but it'll be interesting to see what - if anything - assange does next
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Its maybe safe for him to surrender now Russian caviar with Trump in the tower ?
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