White Stripes (8 Viewers)

[Pantone247]

Was reading sound on sound there, like a big nerd, and the mix enginer was saying that the new White Stripes CD for Icky-Thump was mastered really hot and loud (at Jacks Request) but that the vinyl was done pretty much straight of the 1" tape and is hugely dynamic and clear sounding. Couple of things on-line are bigging it up as the best sounding record in yonkers...

Sort of interesting take on The Loudness Wars, for the comerial market there is the brickwall-limited loud as hell mix, and for the dorks there's a nice clean analog transfer on vinyl... .|..|

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

i wonder why he wouldnt insist that the cd be done properly too? i thought he'd be fussy enough to want it all done well

 

[whathappen?]

http://www.cassrecords.com/test/home.html

that link is to Cass records Detroit which is run by a guy called Ben Blackwell, he is Jack Whites cousin or something and knows everything about White Stripes.If you have any questions about anything at all he can help you .If you want more information about the technique or whatever

 

[Pantone247]

i wonder why he wouldnt insist that the cd be done properly too? i thought he'd be fussy enough to want it all done well

well the interview goes that he wanted "a hot agressive sound" or something like that, the interviewer asks the engineer is this to compete in the "loudness wars" and the engineers says "I hope not!"

I took this is as *wink* *wink*

I guess Jack just knows how to play The Game

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

any mention of more albums with loretta lynn?

 

[Pantone247]

sadly not...

I was going to pick up the new Stripes rekkid anyhow, cause I like the singles lots, much more so then anything else I've heard him do, think I might swing for vinyl now for laughs...

Also I'm amused I used the phrase "play the game", very Arty Pufkin

 

[whathappen?]

haven't heard anything at all. he is working with Shirley Manson I think .

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

Also I'm amused I used the phrase "play the game", very Arty Pufkin

sorry, i should have remarked on that in my previous post

 

[Anthony]

Was reading sound on sound there, like a big nerd, and the mix enginer was saying that the new White Stripes CD for Icky-Thump was mastered really hot and loud (at Jacks Request) but that the vinyl was done pretty much straight of the 1" tape and is hugely dynamic and clear sounding. Couple of things on-line are bigging it up as the best sounding record in yonkers...

Sort of interesting take on The Loudness Wars, for the comerial market there is the brickwall-limited loud as hell mix, and for the dorks there's a nice clean analog transfer on vinyl... .|..|

that's stupid and annoying

 

[guy of the tiger]

I find it shallow and pedantic.

 

[Pantone247]

how so?

 

[whathappen?]

that's stupid and annoying

it's annoying as hell in fact

 

[lemonbravo]

haven't seen the article but....for any band with some money, for a vinyl release, mastering direct from tape would be common enough. (if you've mixed to tape of course).
Although it's unlikely they went 'direct' per say, it would be passing through eqs\compressors\limiters, just not in the same way that modern cd's are maxed out.
that kind of heavy handed compression and limiting to achieve loudness is pointless for vinyl, as the loudness is dependent on other factors.

AcousTech did the mastering for lp, serious vinyl mastering nerds.
http://www.recordtech.com/lp.htm

vlado meller did the cd, i think he's responsible for a lot of horrible maxed out cd's.? didn't he do a chilli's album that was so loud it started an online petition to get it re-mastered?

...so it's partly to do with them using the two different formats rather than, nerds vs ehmm...not nerds.
still, what's the point of making another super loud cd.

haven't heard either version....

 

[ernesto]

blah blah etc......still, what's the point of making another super loud cd.
....

Sort of interesting take on The Loudness Wars, for the comerial market there is the brickwall-limited loud as hell mix, and for the dorks there's a nice clean analog transfer on vinyl... .|..|

yeah??

 

[Anthony]

it's annoying because no matter what he says, what he's really saying is that he realises the loudness war thing exists and is crap for music but he's afraid to release a good sounding, quiet cd.

 

[nlgbbbblth]

it's annoying because no matter what he says, what he's really saying is that he realises the loudness war thing exists and is crap for music but he's afraid to release a good sounding, quiet cd.

exactly.

have some balls Jack and release a CD that doesn't make your listeners' ears bleed.

 

[Willie Willions]

The whole loudness thing is infuriatingly stupid. It sums up the music industry to me in ways: "I know, we'll make it louder!".

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

you know the soft bulletin by the flaming lips and the way the drums sound all clipped? do you reckon that was a mastering thing or did they decide they wanted a storted drum sound? hardly a mistake i suppose. their last album was shocking loud - at war with the mystics

 

[RED(tape)MENACE]

They wanted that drum sound, nothing to do with mastering.

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

They wanted that drum sound, nothing to do with mastering.

heh, i wrote storted. its a bit distracting the stortion on those drums