UCD Public Meeting on Anarchism (1 Viewer)

[Gambra]

Ah jesus. Thanks for that.

 

[therealjohnny]

I've heard you've got a giant penis, though I think that was from you . . .

no no- ollys a chink- tiny penises

It's the blacks that have the big ones


what? what did i say?

 

[Gambra]

Uh oh. You've done it now johnny.

 

[the strange guy]

Racial slurs are always funnier than stereotypes!

 

[Gambra]

Always. Didn't primary school teach you anything?

 

[Space]

no no- ollys a chink- tiny penises

It's the blacks that have the big ones


what? what did i say?

That's him put in his place. .|..|

 

[the strange guy]

Yeh, the chink thing has a tendency to do that.

 

[wageslave]

Why not try and bring those opportunities to everyone?
I don't think it's possible to give an inexpensive world class
education and hold on to world class lecturers and professors when
you're in the early days of worrying about the logistics of feeding
your new mega-community without importing anything.

What? Anarchists are against importing stuff? No-one told me...

 

[the strange guy]

Anarchist Utopia = Abolishment Of Currency Recognised By Other Nations = Difficulty Importing Decent Stuff Without Recognised Currency

Read the thread dude(tte)!

 

[wageslave]

Anarchist Utopia = Abolishment Of Currency Recognised By Other Nations = Difficulty Importing Decent Stuff Without Recognised Currency

I dunno - I read a bit of this thread ages ago but found it painful to be honest. Does anyone actually argue that anarchism in one country is desirable or even possible?

I've never come across an anarchist group arguing in favour of it. I'm a member of the WSM, our position on things would be:

Capitalism is an international system. It can not contain itself within national borders. It is organised on an international basis.

...

To combat it anarchists need international organisation. There can be no 'anarchism in one country'. Anarchists believe the only way for a revolution to survive is to push it as far as possible. This means not just within the geographical location the revolution started in but internationally as well.


While a single country may be the first to move to anarchism it will not be able to survive for long if it remains isolated. The idea of socialism in one country as applied to Ireland would be laughable. The ruling class, both native and foreign, are not democrats who will stand by and allow people to take control of their own lives. They will not only object to losing profits but will also fear the living example of anarchism in action. Trade boycotts, embargos on supplying raw materials, economic sabotage, sealing of borders and outright war will be their answer. An isolated revolution will eventually degenerate both economically due to isolation and politically. The success of anarchism is dependant on it spreading across borders.

By taking this seriously I'm probably taking it too seriously though aren't i?

 

[the strange guy]

I dunno - I read a bit of this thread ages ago but found it painful to be honest. Does anyone actually argue that anarchism in one country is desirable or even possible?

Good question. I suggest that you ask WSM what its stance is and then you'll know what you think.

I've never come across an anarchist group arguing in favour of it. I'm a member of the WSM, our position on things would be:

Oh you did! It must be great to have a resource for your own copy and paste opinions.

Seriously though, that's the biggest cop-out ever.
For your ideology to work you need to pull off a simultaneous revolution across the globe?
Are you setting high standards for yourselves or are you intentionally making it impossible?
Maybe you could ask WSM for your answers.
I knew it was just an excuse to go down the pub and go to protests, now I have irrefutable proof.

edit: Is it true that the WSM is called the Workers Solidarity Movement because due to many of its members not
having the time nor inclination to perform manual work all you can do is offer your solidarity and not your participation?
!baggyyyy

 

[nooleen]

I dunno - I read a bit of this thread ages ago but found it painful to be honest. Does anyone actually argue that anarchism in one country is desirable or even possible?

I've never come across an anarchist group arguing in favour of it. I'm a member of the WSM, our position on things would be:

By taking this seriously I'm probably taking it too seriously though aren't i?

i read a bit of this thread today and found it painfully boring. i'm still bored enough to bother checking it. i'm so bored.

 

[wageslave]

Oh you did! It must be great to have a resource for your own copy and paste opinions.

hmmm, I'm in a group. We come up with a shared position on something. I quote it. there's something wrong with this or it implies I don't believe what I said .. i don't get it [/too earnest?]

Seriously though, that's the biggest cop-out ever.
For your ideology to work you need to pull off a simultaneous revolution across the globe?
Are you setting high standards for yourselves or are you intentionally making it impossible?
Maybe you could ask WSM for your answers.
I knew it was just an excuse to go down the pub and go to protests, now I have irrefutable proof.

What? You think the fact that the WSM doesn't go for what you think is a really stupid idea is a cop out? Why - you think you so smart only you could figure it out? Eh? Eh?

Is it true that the WSM is called the Workers Solidarity Movement because due to many of its members not having the time nor inclination to perform manual work all you can do is offer your solidarity and not your participation?
!baggyyyy

heh heh heh

 

[the strange guy]

hmmm, I'm in a group. We come up with a shared position on something. I quote it. there's something wrong with this or it implies I don't believe what I said .. i don't get it [/too earnest?]

I don't like the idea of going to mindmeld meetings and
coming out with an agreement that everyone agrees with
each other on minute details of imaginary scenarios. Of
course you feel differently, but it doesn't sit well with me.
Fair enough if you're a group of writers for Lost or Star Trek,
but when your 'product' is your own dogma... This whole
'shared stance' thing... I just find it... odd. Do you not find
it odd that in an anti-authoritarian group its stance
becomes its own authority?

Different strokes for different folks as they say in Obamaland.

What? You think the fact that the WSM doesn't go for what you think is a really stupid idea is a cop out? Why - you think you so smart only you could figure it out? Eh? Eh?

I think you have to be pretty smart to come up with a
fantastic ideology, you don't need to be as smart to
understand and contribute to its ideas and you can be
even less smart to be able to point out which parts are
fantasy.

 

[egg_]

I think you have to be pretty smart to come up with a
fantastic ideology, you don't need to be as smart to
understand and contribute to its ideas and you can be
even less smart to be able to point out which parts are
fantasy.

... and less smart still to try and discredit an ideology by making up your own ideas of what it's about and disparaging those

Hoho

 

[the strange guy]

D'oh!

 

[broken arm]

has anyone tried to strategically map a future for anarchism?

i.e. using strategic foresight tools? (rather than long and winding academic papers)

 

[the strange guy]

Pub, Protest, Pub, Meeting, Pub, Internet.

 

[Froog]

pub, wank, cry, pub, wank, cry, rant.

 

[Shorty]

Cans in house, dole, cans in house, (cans at) gig, cans in house, internet