Seomra Spraoi presents: Scoil Spraoi -Social Centres Gathering 11/12 April (1 Viewer)

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For anyone interested in the idea of Social Centres, there is a gathering happening in Dublin exploring various aspects of the Social Centre Movement. It will be a friendly environment and a good introduction to anyone on the idea of social centres and the role they can play.

Seomra Spraoi presents Scoil Spraoi - Social Centres gathering Friday 11 and Saturday 12 April in Dublin

....at Unit 13, IDA Centre, New Market Square, Dublin 8.

related links:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86848
http://seomraspraoi.blogspot.com

Scoil Spraoi is the Seomra Spraoi educational working group. This is our first event. We hope you like it…

Social Centre Gathering
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A space to share our experiences and knowledge about Social Centres. By sharing these things and making them collective we can sharpen our tools, develop our ideas; create new forms of non-hierarchical and anti-capitalist organisation. Through collective discussion debate & action we create communities of resistance.

Social Centres

Social Centres have been an important and stable development of social movements. Social Centres create space for meetings, workshops, benefit gigs, not for profit cafes, libraries, internet access, craft activities, bicycle workshops, self-defence training: the list goes on. What more can we use them to do? What forms of collective activity do they make possible? What forms of resistance emerge form such a social space? What are their limitations?

We have part of the answers to these questions in our collective experiences. This is a chance to share, discuss and debate those experiences.

Seomra Spraoi

The Seomra Sproai collective was started three years ago with the intention of setting up an autonomous social centre in Dublin. We reckon we’ve been pretty successful…

Since our humble beginnings we have occupied three different spaces of our own, each bigger than the previous one. Our move to 4 Mary’s Abbey in July 2007 saw a huge surge in activity and an expansion of the collective. Over 20 groups held regular meetings or events there, with hundreds of people using the space on a weekly basis. After a month of bureaucratic dealings with the landlord, fire authority & police the collective decided to terminate the lease. From this experience we learned a lot...

We keep on learning. The collective is highly organised, with around 30 people managing the social centre, via working groups, and an open meeting of the collective every Thursday.

Europe wide days of action

This gathering coincides with a European wide call for "decentralized days of action for squats and autonomous spaces" - a weekend of discussion & action in defence of free spaces.
See http://april2008.squat.net:8080/

We want to make autonomous spaces and social centres more visible as a political movement. We want to develop interconnections and solidarity between social centres and autonomous spaces. We want to keep linking our spaces with new people and new struggles, and support the creation of autonomous spaces in places where there has not been a history of this kind of action.

First things first - Friday

…will kick off around 7 and is shaping up to be a nicely chilled and fun evening.

Group presentations
So far we have individuals who will tell us about their experiences of working in autonomous spaces and social centre projects in Italy, Poland, Germany and Seomra Spraoi...more presentations to be confirmed.

Food
Dinner will be provided by the skilled 'Peoples Kitchen' collective. If you think you'll be arriving late let us know and we'll try to keep food for you or if you have special dietary needs, again, do let us know. Lunch and dinner will be provided on Saturday also.

Movies
While we're chowing down we'll chill out watching some short movies on various international social centre projects. If you have an interesting short documentary that you think we could show feel free to bring it along.

Saturday's discussion topics
Saturday will be broken into 3 discussion sessions – each session will deal with a variety of themes – we are currently working on the structure of the discussions to enable full participation so please mull over these topics – we wanna know what you think!

Session 1 - practical issues associated to running a social centre
1. From shaky ground to safer spaces
Can we make social centre spaces free from oppression? How do we deal with behaviour and language that perpetuate oppression?
2. Decision making by consensus
Why do it without leaders? How can we increase democratic participation in social centres?
3. Avoiding the ghetto and increase accessibility.
How can we broaden the appeal of social centres and not just serve the needs of the familiar activist scenes?

Session 2 - Discussion topics relating to viewing social centres as a political project
1. From autonomy to bureaucracy and back
Can Irish social centres remain truly autonomous in the face of bureaucratic challenges? How do we raise finances without being limited or diverted in our aims?
2. Creating spaces of resistance
How do we see the role of social centres in social movements and wider revolutionary currents? Are we just providing services that the government provides?
3. Developing aims & principles
How do social centres develop their politics?

Session 3 - Futures
1. Creating a social centre network - developing social centres in Ireland
What ways can we support each other in creating social centres and other spaces?
2. Social centres as places of skill sharing and popular education?
In what ways can we tap in to the full potential of social spaces to share and develop skills; inspire and create amongst each other?
3. Creating spaces beyond the social centre
How can we create temporary autonomous zones? What role can social centres play in campaigning and taking action to reclaim spaces?

Sunday's antics
A fun and kid friendly picnic marking the privatisation of public space. We're encouraging creative participation so get any costumes out and start making banners!

Accommodation
If you need somewhere to crash over the weekend please email us - [email protected] - and we'll try to sort you out. There is limited space so we can't guarantee everyone a place but we'll do our best to sort you out.

Over and Out!
 
Have ye invited any non "activist ghetto" people to this? would be interesting to see what the thoughts of local youth / adults from the three areas you operated from was / is to this type of social space and what they took from their experiences of seomra spraoi.
 
Have ye invited any non "activist ghetto" people to this? would be interesting to see what the thoughts of local youth / adults from the three areas you operated from was / is to this type of social space and what they took from their experiences of seomra spraoi.


I think that the title 'Social Centre' is a bit misleading and probably doesn't translate over here too well from the context that it's used within in Europe.

It used to confuse me a little, but Seomra Spraoi as an idea/space is geared more towards the creation of a kind of 'alternative', 'radical', social-activist' centre, whereas most people will take the title 'social centre' as meaning 'community centre', which it certainly is not.

It would need some form of staff and funding or much higher voluntary participation rate to realistically provide a 'community' service, with people trained in community work, social work etc...

Seomra Spraoi in practice, from personal observation, seems to be more about providing a space for meetings for radical political activists which is funded mainly through parties and events put on by/for those activists, as opposed to having to rely on commerical establishments to do the same.

Sometimes its literature may be broad in terms of its definition of what Seomra Spraoi is 'about', but I guess that that's partly to do with the fact that there is no Seomra Spraoi manifesto as such, and that the focus of is more so on the provision of a space as opposed to exactly what goes on in that space.
 
I think that the title 'Social Centre' is a bit misleading and probably doesn't translate over here too well from the context that it's used within in Europe.

It used to confuse me a little, but Seomra Spraoi as an idea/space is geared more towards the creation of a kind of 'alternative', 'radical', social-activist' centre, whereas most people will take the title 'social centre' as meaning 'community centre', which it certainly is not.

It would need some form of staff and funding or much higher voluntary participation rate to realistically provide a 'community' service, with people trained in community work, social work etc...

Seomra Spraoi in practice, from personal observation, seems to be more about providing a space for meetings for radical political activists which is funded mainly through parties and events put on by/for those activists, as opposed to having to rely on commerical establishments to do the same.

Sometimes its literature may be broad in terms of its definition of what Seomra Spraoi is 'about', but I guess that that's partly to do with the fact that there is no Seomra Spraoi manifesto as such, and that the focus of is more so on the provision of a space as opposed to exactly what goes on in that space.

importantly though, most centres do not prevent local people from where a social centre is located joining in and attending events etc. within reason.

chances are though that the local youth would just get bored silly with the reading groups, consensus driven meetings and vegan food.
 
Have ye invited any non "activist ghetto" people to this? would be interesting to see what the thoughts of local youth / adults from the three areas you operated from was / is to this type of social space and what they took from their experiences of seomra spraoi.

Well there was an evaluation of the Seomra Spraoi experience of Mary's Abbey held recently. This particular gathering is more for people particularly interested (whether new comer or activist) in the idea of social centres to share experiences and ideas.

The issue of an activist ghetto is something that has yet to be tackled. I don't think Seomra has been in any way hostile to local involvement but at the same time it hasn't really got around to proactively involving local communities just yet.

Just borrow some money from your parents and buy a place and then get permission for etc: Your folks are loaded anyways...
Was this directed at me? Because if so you are a fucking moron.
 
Have ye invited any non "activist ghetto" people to this? would be interesting to see what the thoughts of local youth / adults from the three areas you operated from was / is to this type of social space and what they took from their experiences of seomra spraoi.

Think dealing with "Social Centres" (always hated this term personally) as proper social centres (in wider community sense) takes a range of skills and experience that not everybody automatically has. It takes time to learn these skills/ experience, and can be quiet intimidating to work on social projects for the first time.

Its not the first time you've raised this point and I'm sure people in Seomra Sproai could use a little advice form some one with your experience on how to open it up, in a manner that isn't tokenistic.. or fundamentally a disheartening or counter-productive experience for all involved.
 
i love the idea of social centres. ive seen ones over in amsterdam in the suburbs and for each set of around 200-300 houses they have their own social centre which creates a lovely community spirit. i think for these type od social centres local people arent that important for their thoughts as they really wouldnt be intrestd in a lot of things these particular ones run. when i talk to people who are non punk/radical/free spirit about the social centres in dublin, they are so positive about a non drinking place but when i mention meeting for shell to sea for example they get scared away (im quite positive when i tell them about the meetings) and dont want to go any more.
 
owensies post is pretty clear, its an activists place rather than a wider community space, i think the confusion is that some of the stuff i've seen from seomra spraoi doesnt make this clear but read as if its an attempt at a wider community space run without state or other outside support etc which it apparently isnt - it's a space for people into a particualr type of politics /activism.

it's not my place to criticise that, people are free to set up whatever type of centre they want, but i have to say i thought up til now it was one thing masquerading as the other. not my cup of tea but people are free to hang out with whoever they want
 
owensies post is pretty clear, its an activists place rather than a wider community space, i think the confusion is that some of the stuff i've seen from seomra spraoi doesnt make this clear but read as if its an attempt at a wider community space run without state or other outside support etc which it apparently isnt - it's a space for people into a particualr type of politics /activism.

it's not my place to criticise that, people are free to set up whatever type of centre they want, but i have to say i thought up til now it was one thing masquerading as the other. not my cup of tea but people are free to hang out with whoever they want

I don't really agree that it is an activists centre. The last building had everything from trad-nights to all ages gigs, first aid workshop, regular movie nights, various art related stuff such as screen printing and importantly a meeting space for over 20 groups. Some of the groups were particularly aimed at younger kids such as Cupocrafts. All the events were well attended by non-political and politcal people alike. Perhaps most of these people would range from overtly to mildly lefty but they definitely weren't just activists.

I think the reason Seomra hasn't proactively sought to make links with the local communities is because it is aware of the points Carlow Punks mentioned and any such effort in the future would have to be well thought out whereas right now their are more pressing concerns such as finding a new space.

It's all a learning process. I think the role of Seomra Spraoi changed significantly with the move from Ormond Quay to Mary's Abbey, as the size of Mary's Abbey allowed bigger public events.
 

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