Outsider music in Ireland? (1 Viewer)

[SONYMEGADRIVE]

anyone say "Loner XIAN Folk" yet?

 

[Deleted member 3435]

It's possible but most musicians know quite a bit about music and other musicians and outsider music isn't "posed". It would be a pose for most musicians. There's nothing stopping them making music like that. It's similar to naive art, it is sometimes done by acomplished knowing artists but it's a schtick and people crave authenticity in music and I don't think you could authentically make music the way outsiders do without there being a break between you and other musicians, if ya get me.

God, that was perhaps my worst post ever. .

i thought it was one of your best.

i get ya, i'm right there with ya.

mostly i was trying to point the thread in a direction that would mean i could post some people without suggesting they were mentally ill on a public forum.

 

[Diumraid]

Outside by definition means 'outside of common practice' which includes the so-called avant-garde. Avant-garde practictioners will not engage in the common practice while outsiders usually cannot. Many famous outsiders get a lot of help from 'insider' friends Wesley Willis from Jello Biafra; Daniel Johnston from Kramer and Sonic youth; Aidan Walsh from Simon Carmody and Gavin Friday.

Also

Categories strain and crack under their burden, step out of the space provided......

 

[Rimbaud]

Outsider music in Ireland (imo):

Retards:
'Something in my drink' :
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vEWBCe6QlQ"]YouTube - bracket.retards.bracket 'he put something in my drink'[/ame]

'Will drum for food' live:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKrqWvdhdck"]YouTube - bracket.retards.bracket will drum for food dublin nov 06[/ame]

Is that Ewa on sax? We released a great 7inch which this track appeared on.Best Irish 7inch in years it was.

Ewa Gigon:
Probably one of my favs over the last few years.Must still catch her live:
'Leir'
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98K0KVXXdfo"]YouTube - ewa gigon Lier[/ame]

Anyone know when her album is due?

KFDS:
They blew my head off last time i saw them (sadly that was two years ago) they played Black Sun weirdo/outsider music night here in Cork last friday. Must get hold of some more audio from them.Frighteningly exciting.

http://www.myspace.com/kunstfds

El Bastardo:
Outside the outside - amazing band.genius music.not for the fainthearted.
http://www.myspace.com/elbastardo

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Comrade Muzik is their classic debut, released around 99?2000?
Limerick sound niks, got compared to Big Black alot but they were doing their own thing.loved them live, they are sorely missed.can't find any music online or anything.They played alot of early AMC gigs in limirick.wachy music.if you can find it.

 

[Rimbaud]

The Phil Spector of Outsider music?
Joe Meek:
Well he was as much an outsider as you could get...poor fella...this documentary is excellant 'Arena, the joe meek story':
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTrkQeIyeZU"]YouTube - The Strange Story of Joe Meek Part 1[/ame]

Telstarc(The Tornados):
Joe Meeks signature production..(first 7inch i bought..sniff..)
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ybCjf6ras"]YouTube - Telstar by The Tornados[/ame]

 

[Froog]

 

[MDR]

Captain A is an outsider in the sense that his music is good, original and he can be tamed by neither man nor nature.

 

[sweetoblivion]

If anyone is looking for a crash course in outsider music they could do worse than to start with these two comps. Vol 1 is better than Vol 2 but they're both pretty great to one degree or another

Spot on! The book is a really illuminating read.
The thing with the majority of artists featured on it is they were not 'wilfully' obscure/avante garde etc - personally I see a big difference between someone who is deliberately trying to create 'out there' music, and somene who believes their music is 'normal', even though to others it is strange or bizarre.
That's not a criticism obviously of wilfully out-there people, just an observation. In my mind there's a big difference between a lot of the Irish bands mentioned on this thread and someone like Wesley Willis, or The Shaggs.

 

[Froog]

curious about daniel johnston, why do people like him? seems to me he is a terrible singer and guitarist and has serious mental problems.

 

[sweetoblivion]

Because he writes really lovely pop songs and (in the great tradition of songs about love) he never gets the girl?

 

[old]

Dust revolution?
Raggaman Bob?

 

[Scientician 0.8]

BUmp

 

[mangler]

http://5090.fawm.org/fawmers/rich/

 

[pissypants]

Do you count the Stars in Heaven? Will you play football again?
Do you count the Stars in Heaven? Are you with Tom Regan now?

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[washingcattle]

Do you count the Stars in Heaven? Will you play football again?
Do you count the Stars in Heaven? Are you with Tom Regan now?
YouTube- Clodagh Irwin sings Harrier

1:57 - 2:26 is a highlight....
YouTube- Clodagh Irwin sings Under Her Spell

The sex tongue is magnificent, straight in the horn thread.

 

[Diumraid]

Do you count the Stars in Heaven? Will you play football again?
Do you count the Stars in Heaven? Are you with Tom Regan now?
YouTube- Clodagh Irwin sings Harrier

1:57 - 2:26 is a highlight....
YouTube- Clodagh Irwin sings Under Her Spell

This is the stuff - amazing.

 

[ann post]

Where are you Ger?
Where did you go?
To a Flax Field
Or Tall Pines?

Chorus
Do you count the stars in Heaven?
Will You play football again?
Do you count the stars in Heaven?
Are you with Tom Ragen now?

Castleblaney, Breffini Park
Does a whistle turn your head
Playing draughts
You grope a knight
Do your riddles still sound out?

Chorus

Reardons, Two Ronnies,
Harry Worth, Panaroma too
Is your Hillman still in town?
Just a memory of your name.

i think thats pretty good

 

[ann post]

oh. she didnt write that herself. its still good though.

 

[Diumraid]

oh. she didnt write that herself. its still good though.

It's all in the delivery

 

[ann post]

only tom regan on wiki is an animal rights guy who isnt dead yet. i assume they are asking is ger over at some local tom regans house.