Osama Video Evidence... (1 Viewer)

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did anyone see the 'evidence' that was released yesterday ? I don't know why but i just did not buy it ? I'm not a crazed conspiracy theorist or anything, but I had a major 'Wag the Dog' type moment when I was watching it. This man has become utterly demonised by most of the Western Media...he is such a media/political creation/sensation who just happens to be the perfect scapegoat/justification for what has happend and is happening in Afghanistan at the moment...it just seems...*dodgy* that they had evidence, did not release any...*found* a tape on which he admits he was responsible months later, were meant to release it, delayed the release date and then say *here is the proof*...
 
Since hearing David Icke last week my entire mentality has shifted.
I have actively stopped watching the news as much as I possibly can without becoming ignorant of current affairs.
I just cannot tolerate this constant flow of biased selective reporting.
I do not believe a single thing the media has to say. They are NOT reporting - they are passing on govenment approved propaganda via printed media, tv, online, radio.

I have heard so many LIES in the last month or so I can no longer trust these media.

One of the things David Icke mentioned (as did I on another thread) was the passport they 'found' a few days after the big bang bang.
You've seen the footage. A fucking great aeroplane smacks into a skyscraper, becomes an inferno 90 stories above the ground (remember the explosion caused the concrete reinforcements to melt) the building collapses - AND THEY FIND ONE OF THE TERRORISTS PASSPORTS INTACT A FEW DAYS LATER!

That's just rubbish - and not one of our so called 'journalists' have even posed the question. "How the fuck did that happen?"
It's been taken for granted - or rather the governments have told the media to 'report' it - and treat it as fact, no questions asked.

It's all rubbish.

And while I'm at it, Israel are a nation on lecherous bloodthirsty "terrorists". Though the media won't report it as such.
Did you hear about how they killed a 2 year old boy the other day by blowing up a palestinian politicians car in rush-hour traffic with a frikkin helicopter gunship?

Now THAT'S terrorism as it's defined in the dictionary.
 
Just saw the front page headline from the Mirror -
YOU GLOATING BASTARD!
(edited.. here's that cover)
[img="http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/0005FA8A-A8F9-1C19-A8F980C328EC0292.141201"]

What's become apparent through all this is the fact that news reporting has shifted dramatically from reporting facts to simply giving us opinions. Last night, on Sky News (I dunno if anyone else saw this), after the Osama tape had been "released", they had their reporter asking rescue workers their opinions of the tape. They even went so far as to ask if this proved Osama did it. Now.. I'm very sorry for any loss they might have suffered through the events of 911, but this does NOT make them an authority on this tape. I didn't really care what Joe NewYorker thinks about this tape - I'd much rather hear what facts Joe NeutralIndependentDariSpeaker has, and whether or not the translation given to us is at all biased (or indeed, accurate).
 
and another thing

from the transcript:
But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.

then how come the hijackers apparantly left suicide letters which were uncovered by the FBI in the car at the airport when they didnt know of the plan before they boarded the plane
 
AND THEY FIND ONE OF THE TERRORISTS PASSPORTS INTACT A FEW DAYS LATER!

The Passport was found in the boot of a car in the airport, not at ground zero. You don't need a passport to board a US domestic flight. But I did find it funny that with this passport the found a flight manual.
This video does look very suspicious . why would the most wanted man in the world have himself recorded admitting the crime he has been constantly denying committing. I personally think he was responsible , but the video is very dodgy.

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And while I'm at it, Israel are a nation on lecherous bloodthirsty "terrorists". Though the media won't report it as such.

The media won't condemn the acts of Israel because they will be accused of racism. They are terrified of the prospect of angry Jews pulling the race card on them. It's worse in the US were the majority of TV networks are owned by jews, who are obviously sympathetic to Israel. But nobody will question this for fear of being called racist.
 
My recollection is that the passport was allegedly found near the WTC, and also a pair of dismembered, bound together hands -supposedly belonging to one of the cabin crew - were allegedly found on a nearby rooftop.
 
W C Norton (14 Dec, 2001 01:45 p.m.):
The media won't condemn the acts of Israel because they will be accused of racism. They are terrified of the prospect of angry Jews pulling the race card on them. It's worse in the US were the majority of TV networks are owned by jews, who are obviously sympathetic to Israel. But nobody will question this for fear of being called racist.

I never really knew that much about the history of Israel and the conflict with the Palestinians up until about a year and a half ago. I started reading a few bits and pieces on it, stuff like the six day war and all, and you're right. The attitude of the Israelis is unreal. Their army is enormous (and funded/equipped by the Americans), and they really like fucking the West Bank and Gaza over at any opporunity. A lot of the stuff I looked at would have been of a left-leaning slant, but even if you look at the pictures on sky news you can see how unbalanced the situation is. These arab kids throw a few rocks at soldiers with slingshots, using car doors as shields, the Israelis come back with heavy machine gun fire, tanks and missiles. They build state housing in contentious areas just to stoke the flames on both sides, why would you build state housing on the fringes of a war zone? Why dont they give the Israel people space elsewhere instead of encroaching on the small bit of land the Palestinians have been given? The Israeli govt. is pushing a dangerous situation to boiling point - no wonder that people like Islamic Jihad and Hamas have the minds of the young people there.

The media does always take the side of Israel as well, thats fairly obvious. More so with the American media - and dont forget that the biggest Jewish city in the world is... New York. So there will always be support for whatever Israel does from the US. They've taken Bush's language of The War Against Terrorism (TWAT for short) and applied it to the situation with the Palestinians, which was an extremely dangerous move, and of course has now grown into the present cycle of extreme violence, and doesnt show any sign of slowing down.

I'd like to say the first casualty of war is Truth, but it's not. The first casualty of war is innocent people.. and regrettably it would seem a lot more of them are going to be killed in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank in the coming months...

regards
 
if the passport was on the plane i doubt very much that it could have survived the 2000 C inferno which caused the WTC to collapse...considering they have found hardly any bodies, i don't see how a passport could avoid being disintegrated...there are too many half-truths and lies being bandied about that it's very difficult to believe anything that originates from official government sources...
 
the story of the passposts, like so many other stories in days following September 11th was one of these flash in the pan jobbies, reported on the 3 o'clock news, not mentioned on the 5 o'clock news. (other examples the 4th plane being shot down.... suddenly changing to brave folk attacking hijackers, suddenly changing to.... uh, never being metioned again...)

I wouldn't have put much credence in it at any point, along with the flight manual Koran in a car shit. Sounds like panic reporting really.

What has to be rembered is Osama loves his video cameras, wether it be filming himself sitting about with his AK47 on his lap threatening the western world, videoing his troops marching about the place and blowing up small houses, or gloating to his buddies... he's like an American on holidays, he's mad into making these grand gestures So its pretty likely he may have recorded such a tape

but does it REALLY change anything??

Imagine the tape had contained Osama saying "jaysus I'd nothing to do with it, I was visiting one of my mother in laws that week, no one will listen to me what am I going to do!!"

that would'vbe been interesting
 
BIN LADIN BIN LADEN BIN LADEN!!!!!FUCK THIS!!!!TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY ITS ON T.V. AND NOW IT HAS SEEPED INTO THE THUMPED FORUM!!!
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS RELATED TO MUSIC????????
 
a couple of things...

1. video is not legal evidence - boasting about doing something is not evidence that you did it, beyond circumstantial. no evidence (at least in the public domain) links bin laden to sept. 11th.

2. israel are terrorists - without a doubt. america styles itself an 'honest broker' in the middle east. why, then, this - http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2001/1215/breaking9.htm - only today? this veto, of course, only adds to a long list of american vetoes. (not to mention new us ambassador john negroponte: try here - http://www.derechos.org/nizkor/negroponte/eng.html - for starters.

3. BUT! "It's worse in the US were the majority of TV networks are owned by jews." this is bullshit hyperbole that doesn't help anyone. 78% of american media is owned by 8 corporations. this does not mean they are 'owned by jews'. that's precisely the sort of unsubstantiated assumption that allows right-wing israelis to play the anti-semitic card.
 
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that's precisely the sort of unsubstantiated assumption that allows right-wing israelis to play the anti-semitic card.[/quote]

The largest media conglomerate today is Walt Disney Company, whose chairman and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew. The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as "a control freak," includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television), its own cable network with 14 million subscribers, and two video production companies.

As for feature films, the Walt Disney Picture Group, headed by Joe Roth (also a Jew), includes Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Weinstein brothers, who have produced such ultra-raunchy movies such as The Crying Game, Priests, and Kids.

Disney also sells annually well over a billion dollars worth of consumer products: books, toys, and clothing. In August 1995 Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., to create a media empire with annual sales of $16.5 billion. Capital Cities/ABC owns the ABC Television Network, which in turn owns ten TV stations outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Houston. In addition, it has 225 affiliated stations in the United States and is part owner of several European TV companies.
 
that's precisely the sort of unsubstantiated assumption that allows right-wing israelis to play the anti-semitic card.[/quote]

ABC’s cable subsidiary, ESPN, is headed by president and CEO Steven Bornstein, who is a Jew. The corporation also has a controlling share of Lifetime Television and the Arts & Entertainment Network cable companies. ABC Radio Network owns 11 AM and ten FM stations, again in major cities such as New York, Washington, and Los Angeles, and has over 3,400 affiliates.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, Capital Cities/ABC earned over $1 billion in publishing in 1994. It owns seven daily newspapers, Fairchild Publications (Women’s Wear Daily), Chilton Publications (automotive manuals), and the Diversified Publishing Group.

Time Warner, Inc., is the second of the international media leviathans. The chairman of the board and CEO, Gerald M. Levin, is a Jew. Time Warner’s subsidiary HBO is the country’s largest pay-TV cable network.

Warner Music is by far the world’s largest record company, with 50 labels, the biggest of which is Warner Brothers Records, headed by Danny Goldberg. Stuart Hersh is president of Warnervision, Warner Music’s video production unit. Goldberg and Hersch are both Jews.


Who Controls U.S. Media
The control of the opinion-molding media is nearly monolithic. All of the controlled media — television, radio, newspapers, magazines, books, motion pictures speak with a single voice, each reinforcing the other. Despite the appearance of variety, there is no real dissent, no alternative source of facts or ideas accessible to the great mass of people which might allow them to form opinions at odds with those of the media masters. They are presented with a single view of the world — a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish "Holocaust" tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt a flood of non-White aliens from pouring across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a "pluralistic," cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous one. It is a view of the world designed by the media masters to suit their own ends — and the pressure to conform to that view is overwhelming. People adapt their opinions to it, vote in accord with it, and shape their lives to fit it.

Electronic News & Entertainment Media

Continuing government deregulation of the telecommunications industry has resulted, not in the touted increased competition, but rather in an accelerating wave of corporate mergers and acquisitions that have produced a handful of multi-billion-dollar media conglomerates. Whenever you watch television, whether from a local broadcasting station or via a cable or satellite dish; whenever you see a feature film in a theater or at home; whenever you listen to the radio or recorded music, whenever you read a newspaper, book, or magazine — it is very likely that the information or entertainment you receive was produced and/or distributed by one of these megamedia companies.

The largest media conglomerate today is Walt Disney Company, whose chairman and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew. The Disney empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as "a control freak," includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television), its own cable network with 14 million subscribers, and two video production companies.

As for feature films, the Walt Disney Picture Group, headed by Joe Roth (also a Jew), includes Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Weinstein brothers, who have produced such ultra-raunchy movies such as The Crying Game, Priests, and Kids.

When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome, family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, under Eisner the company has expanded into the production of graphic sex and gratuitous violence. In addition to TV and movies, the corporation owns Disneyland, Disney World, Epcot Center, Tokyo Disneyland, and Euro Disney.

Disney also sells annually well over a billion dollars worth of consumer products: books, toys, and clothing. In August 1995 Eisner acquired Capital Cities/ABC, Inc., to create a media empire with annual sales of $16.5 billion. Capital Cities/ABC owns the ABC Television Network, which in turn owns ten TV stations outright in such big markets as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Houston. In addition, it has 225 affiliated stations in the United States and is part owner of several European TV companies.

ABC’s cable subsidiary, ESPN, is headed by president and CEO Steven Bornstein, who is a Jew. The corporation also has a controlling share of Lifetime Television and the Arts & Entertainment Network cable companies. ABC Radio Network owns 11 AM and ten FM stations, again in major cities such as New York, Washington, and Los Angeles, and has over 3,400 affiliates.

Although primarily a telecommunications company, Capital Cities/ABC earned over $1 billion in publishing in 1994. It owns seven daily newspapers, Fairchild Publications (Women’s Wear Daily), Chilton Publications (automotive manuals), and the Diversified Publishing Group.

Time Warner, Inc., is the second of the international media leviathans. The chairman of the board and CEO, Gerald M. Levin, is a Jew. Time Warner’s subsidiary HBO is the country’s largest pay-TV cable network.

Warner Music is by far the world’s largest record company, with 50 labels, the biggest of which is Warner Brothers Records, headed by Danny Goldberg. Stuart Hersh is president of Warnervision, Warner Music’s video production unit. Goldberg and Hersch are both Jews.

Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap." Through its involvement with Interscope Records, it helped popularize a new genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites.

In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio) and publishing. Time Warner’s publishing division (editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew) is the largest magazine publisher in the country (Time, Sports Illustrated, People, Fortune).

Levin may soon be back as number-one media magnate if the planned deal with Turner Broadcasting System is completed. When Ted Turner, the Gentile media maverick, made a bid to buy CBS in 1985, there was a panic in media boardrooms across the nation. Turner had made a fortune in advertising and then had built a successful cable-TV news network, CNN. Although Turner employed a number of Jews in key executive positions in CNN and had never taken public positions contrary to Jewish interests, he is a man with a large ego and a strong personality and was regarded by Chairman William Paley and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for Jews.




To block Turner’s bid CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a "friendly" takeover of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. Subsequent efforts by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin’s Time Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over major deals.

Thus, despite being an innovator and garnering headlines, Turner has never commanded the wealth and power to be a true media master. Turner may have decided: if you can’t lick ‘em, join ‘em. If TBS merges with Time Warner, Levin will become Turner’s boss, and CNN, the only rival to the network news, will come under complete Jewish control.
 
Mohammed Ben Avaram (15 Dec, 2001 09:59 p.m.):
that's precisely the sort of unsubstantiated assumption that allows right-wing israelis to play the anti-semitic card.

Viacom, Inc., headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), is the third largest megamedia corporation in the country, with revenues of over $10 billion a year. Viacom, which produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 12 television stations and 12 radio stations. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing.

Number four on the list is Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, which owns Fox Television Network and 20th Century Fox Films. Murdoch is a Gentile, but Peter Chernin, who heads Murdoch’s film studio and also oversees his TV production, is a Jew.

Number five is the Japanese Sony Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by Michael Schulhof, a Jew. Alan J. Levine, another Jew, heads the Sony Pictures division.

Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by Jews. For example, New World Entertainment, proclaimed by one media analyst as "the premiere independent TV program producer in the United States," is owned by Ronald Perelman, a Jew who also owns Revlon cosmetics. The chairman at New World, Brandon Tartikoff (formerly head of entertainment programming at NBC), is also a Jew.

The best known of the smaller media companies, DreamWorks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. DreamWorks was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film direction Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Considering the cash and connections that Geffen, Katzenberg, and Spielberg have, DreamWorks may soon be in the same league as the big three.

The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson, CBS first by William Paley and then by Laurence Tisch, and NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert. Over periods of several decades these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong.

As noted, ABC is part of Eisner’s Disney Company, and the executive producers of ABC’s news programs are all Jews: Victor S. Neufeld (20-20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan (World News Tonight).

CBS was recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation. Nevertheless, the man appointed by Laurence Tisch, Eric Ober, remains president of CBS News, and Ober is a Jew.

At NBC, now owned by General Electric, NBC News president Andrew Lack is a Jew, as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today), Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline).



After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. Sixty million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,500 different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against minority control and distortion. Alas, such is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of majority interests than a casual observer would think.
 
Ah fuck
I posted all the wrong stuff above.
i think i got all that off a sister of the KKK site. Ignore all the WP & 'jewish holocaust' bullshit it refers to .
 

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