NCAD - Fine art? (1 Viewer)

[wild_cat]

Well? Im thinking of doing fine art after doing a portfolio course next year. My art teacher said that she thinks that fine art would suit me better than going straight into art teaching as the course is to ristricted for some one like me. She said that I could go on then to do my H-Dip if I wanted to or go on to do something else. She also said that its better to spend next year doing a portfolio as it isnt fair to expect me to throw something on a page while studing other things unlike most of the students that go to art college and do a portfolio course and have spent the better half a year doing nothing but pieces.


Has anyone done the course? Is it any good? Is the joke...

What do NCAD students and tornados have in common?

They all end up in a trailor park.

True?

etc. etc.

 

[egg_]

My brother did fine art (not in UCD though, it was in Mountjoy Sq.) and now he's a primary school teacher. He's still painting too, he's got his first solo exhibition opening tomorrow in the Origin Gallery on Harcourt St.

 

[Corey]

NCAD will kill any love you have for fine art. Do the portfolio course and decide then. Most artists i know started off doing somthing in the design communications field, design, animation, ceramics etc and got into fine art of their own volition. A degree in fine/visual art dont count for much if you want your shit up on walls; and any degree from any type of art/design course is enough for a h-dip in teaching. Look around, there's more on offer than ncad. Try DIT and DLIADT and other such places round the country.

 

[billygannon]

Go to Goldsmith's in London.

 

[Rachel666]

hmmm i actually decided last week i wanted to be an art teacher too but I am definetly going to do the portfolio course before deciding on anything. are portfolio courses hard to get into? my ex told me he had to battle 100 other people to get his place in bray, but he was prone to bigging himself up so...

 

[shitepipe]

hey man, you need to unlearn how to paint before you can be a real painter

 

[classic seanc]

NCAD fine art students I've met spoke a lot about how it's very restricting. It seriously stressed them out. As Corey said, look around, NCAD ain't the be all and end all.

 

[Super Dexta]

i did a part-time portfolio course in the crawford in cork when i was in fifth year, i think it's a really good idea to do one. it made me realise that i'd hate proper art college, which was a useful thing to know..

 

[rampz]

ncad have an education degree course specifically designed to turn you into an art teacher. at least they did when me and kirstie were there. back then, other than education, if you wanted to do fine art, graphics, textiles whatever, you had to do their foundation "core studies" year first. i think education is separate and you applied for this through the cao. system might be totally different now.


ps, i was relatively successful for about 6 years post ncad before i got disillusioned with the whole art thing. follow your heart, dont listen to anyones negative opinions about ncad, its what you make it just like anything else.

 

[wild_cat]

but he was prone to bigging himself up so...

He who does not like to be named on the internet mentioned something like that to me before alright.....

I dunno if i want to do teaching..... But it means a job at the end of it......

Teacher said something about going to London afterwards... She said it could end up me being a teacher in some convent school in fermoy or working in film what ever path I chose.


Personally I think the latter sounds lot more sexy than some where in cork with snotty nosed first years who draw suger bags like fold out calenders.....

 

[wild_cat]

ps, i was relatively successful for about 6 years post ncad before i got disillusioned with the whole art thing. follow your heart, dont listen to anyones negative opinions about ncad, its what you make it just like anything else.

Yeah my teacher said something like that to, she said that in Art school they just have this thing, you chose to buy into it or not.

 

[rampz]

ncad have an education degree course specifically designed to turn you into an art teacher. at least they did when me and kirstie were there. back then, other than education, if you wanted to do fine art, graphics, textiles whatever, you had to do their foundation "core studies" year first. i think education is separate and you applied for this through the cao. system might be totally different now.


ps, i was relatively successful for about 6 years post ncad before i got disillusioned with the whole art thing. follow your heart, dont listen to anyones negative opinions about ncad, its what you make it just like anything else.

follow your heart. ha ha.

 

[krystal]

follow your heart. ha ha.

you queer.

Roisin - no matter what portfolio course you do they'll not take you directly into 2nd year. You have to do 4 years in NCAD (unless you come from another college with a diploma or similar) - starting with 1st year foundation and then you specialise for 3 more years. You'll get a chance to try stuff out during foundation and decide what you think suits you. Do the Hdip after for teaching if that's what you want but when I was there (100 thousand years ago) it was very much the booby prize, people only did if it they didn't get accepted into foundation.

You can look at it 2 ways - sure, if you put your portfolio together in 6th year then you're obviously going to have made the decision that's what you want to pursue and you won't be able to give your academic subjects so much attention. Both myself and ramps came straight from school, though we were in different years. So it's perfectly possible to get in straight from school. If you do a portfolio course you're looking at what amounts to a 5 year undergrad though.

And apply all over the place, some places are better than others for particular things, so hedge your bets and put in lots of applications. I left there extremely disillusioned with the whole art world and went off and did computer science instead. But other people loved it, it just depends on the sort of person you are.

 

[egg_]

Wow Kirstie, I didn't know that
In a way it's good to get disillusioned with something, cos then you can put it behind you and get on with your life. I nearly wish I had got disillusioned with music before it got too late ...

 

[krystal]

Wow Kirstie, I didn't know that
In a way it's good to get disillusioned with something, cos then you can put it behind you and get on with your life. I nearly wish I had got disillusioned with music before it got too late ...

I'm an enigma wrapped up in a riddle, egg.

I do actually have a creative(ish) job but I don't do what I trained to do. But then, you can be really idealistic at 17 when you're making these decisions and then when reality hits you realise you won't be actually able to sustain a life doing it. So I went into web design, like everyone else.

 

[nEiLo]

my girlfriend did fine art in ncad and now works for the bbc

 

[Osama Van Halen]

ALL ART COURSES ARE RUN ARSE-WAYS. "I THINK THE RED DOT DESERVES A DISTINCTION. NO, THE BLUE DOT DOES".....HOW THE HELL IS IT GONNA WORK?? AND THESISES ARE BASTARDS.

PIMP WHORE STEAL SWIPE LEARN ON THE SLY . THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'LL GET ANYWHERE IN COLLEGE. AND WE'RE TALKIN' GENUINE ARTISTIC ANYWHERE. GIVE THEM THE HORSESHIT THEY WANT IF YOU'RE AFTER THE DOUGH.

YOU HEAR THAT COREY??!!

AND IF I SEE A VIDEO INSTILLATION YOU'RE FUCKIN' DEAD.

FineARTTAQUAANNNDO!!!

 

[Osama Van Halen]

P.S. I AM A FULL ON PROFESSIONAL DOIN' WHAT I STUDIED WHEN I LEFT SECONDARY. FUCK THE PORTFOLIO COURSE. GET THE KNEES OUT AND GET STUCK IN.

 

[Hair Iron Madin]

P.S. I AM A FULL ON PROFESSIONAL DOIN' WHAT I STUDIED WHEN I LEFT SECONDARY. FUCK THE PORTFOLIO COURSE. GET THE KNEES OUT AND GET STUCK IN.

AND he can draw..|..| NOMAGGIEQUANDO

not many fine artists in this country can (abstraction = shite effort at distraction from the fact you cant draw).

after my real world job diploma i foolishly did fine art degree one year in IADT. bag of shite. the tutors geared it towards video installation, which to be honest you should do film if you want to go in that direction. The quality or lack of i should say, work from fine art in IADT this year was appaling. NCAD have long surpassed IADT for overall quality since about 2 years ago and are looking more like a uk college every year.

that said, most people i know who pursue fine art outside college do it in their own time and struggle to get work out there for exhibits or sale.

If you are looking to develop as an artist you have to do what all artists do and just practice and teach yourself, beg borrow steal and learn from others what you can to speed up the process as osama was saying.

One girl in my degree course went onto study arts admin at st martins. I've heard really good reports from this course and it enables you to curate exhibitions which could be one interesting avenue of fine art.

a fine art degree is good at giving you groundwork in art history, colour theory and lifedrawing but the cut in first year is pretty tough (IADT cut half their students in year one and i believe NCAD is the same) so you have to push yourself hard. in the end when you leave for a bit of real world kickings the degree is a fallback for teaching but not a guarantee.

as corey said do the NCAD year one and if you find yourself moving towards other media such as film, photography, or (god forbid ) animation then you'll be able to move into those without being stuck in fineart hell

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[ICUH8N]

Johnny Nice Painter!