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[SONYMEGADRIVE]

'cut hands has the solution' is the jam. a single drum! amazing.
i think they're boss dr samples or something...i forget

andrew

 

[the strange guy]

Yeh, 'Lazy' was the Sotos book I read. I didn't buy it, JAYSUS NO, it was a kind present to my housemate from Stevie Riot. Hardly a romantic gesture, but I can't think of an more original gift concerning sex. It deeply disturbed me, yet was compulsive reading for 5 minute bursts before I felt ill. I didn't finish it. I don't think I ever could. My mother would kill me.
I'd like to think 'Sotos' is a character Sotos conjured up, due to the fact that I couldn't imagine a total fucking pedo running around getting books printed about what it's like to be a total fucking pedo.

 

[Corm]

I'd like to think 'Sotos' is a character Sotos conjured up, due to the fact that I couldn't imagine a total fucking pedo running around getting books printed about what it's like to be a total fucking pedo.

Yeah, but as someone mentioned earlier, look at all the horrible shit in the tabloids every day. People love that shit. They love to hear about and create those kind of characters. They live out their own dark unspoken fantasies and impulses vicariously through those fucked up enough to actually commit them.

 

[the strange guy]

I don't read tabloids, I only read broadsheets. All I care about is the interest rate. It's down to it's lowest level in 5 years! Yessssssssssssssss!

 

[BC]

Yeah, but as someone mentioned earlier, look at all the horrible shit in the tabloids every day. People love that shit. They love to hear about and create those kind of characters. They live out their own dark unspoken fantasies and impulses vicariously through those fucked up enough to actually commit them.

Oh, absolutely, and this is an important point: the tabloid treatment of rape, abuse, murder satisfies these perverse lusts. Hense why Sotos peppers his ranting with newspaper headlines, and why he jerks off to grieving parents as broadcast through day time talk shows (see: Buyers Market). It is a fairly well known fact that tabloid newspapers are the number one form of pornography for incarcerated sex criminals.

the final example of these Sotos collages on a Whitehouse album was titled "Bird Seed". Perhaps because these vultures can find sustainance everyday in the papers and chat shows. It could also be an example of the manipulation of pain into lazy art that Whitehouse are vocally deriding on thier latest album. The line from one refers to a "craven lust-driven artist channeling confusion and fear into a sickly limp repetative craft". And thats the problem with Sotos' writing and collages. If you presist in reading/listening to them past the point of disgust it becomes quickly very boring, very sad, very pathetic.

Unfortuately, I imaging few of you here will be familiar with Whitehouse. However, they are getting some degree of commercial recognition (for example, named by BBC Radio 1 as the most extreme band ever in a documentry). You will also not find any of their albums in dublin record shops. However, for those with quick connections and a taste for extreme (and often very punk) music, I would recommend downloading the tracks "Wriggle Like A Fucking Eel" and "Cruise (Force The Truth)". Imagine Crass and Aphex Twin doing a collaboration, but much more full on than that.

According to Jim Goad, Peter Sotos is the "greatest writer alive". he says this because "no one comes close to his ability to rape a blank page". this is from the introduction to an interview of Sotos by Goad. This interview pretty much illustrates why I think these people are so dislikeable. A couple of choice quotes, and I have decided to omit the parts of the interview which contain extremely racist, sexist and homophobic slang:

JIM GOAD: What are some of the more stupid things that have ever been said in your defense? People who came out in support of you but completely missed the boat?

PETER SOTOS: It's only recently that, I think, people got the idea, I mean, in the last few years. Most of the people who came out in defense of me said just incredibly stupid things, and if they actually tried to help in any way, they were quickly pushed aside by the fact that my trial and the issues involved with my case were child-pornography charges.NAMBLA contacted my lawyers right when I was arrested, and my lawyers, of course, you know-

-Well, with friends like that-

-Yeah, right. Well, there was no way that they were gonna take [NAMBLA's] support. But the thing is, is that my case had a different tint to it. They're talking about age of consent, they're talking about sort of consensual things, and I definitely wasn't. So as far as the First Amendment goes, all these sort of nice, lovey, you know, sort of ecumenical cuddliness that everyone talks about, you know, that Karen Finley type of thing, where it's transgressive or something or cathartic, I definitely wasn't talking about it. I was talking about damage and whatnot. And the stuff that I had, the child pornography I had, wasn't this sort of Menudo-type thing. It wasn't just Jock Sturgis photos or whatever. It was really ugly stuff. It was definitely rape.

Yeah. It always seems to come back to Ian Brady. Why do you think his crimes have a particular resonance for you?

Everything about his crimes, I think, is perfect. I really hate seeing these quotes, but if you look at what he's done to who he's done it to, he went across all boards and sort of extracted what he was looking for out of each person, from a sort of Morrissey-type queer to little girls to little boys, everywhere. And just led his life that way. And made some incredible mistakes, I'm not talking about detective-wise, I'm just talking about as far as his tastes go. He seemed to have this idea-he knew that he had these interests and went about his whole life trying to find out what they were. And he really is a sort of introspective person, where you immediately think of these sort of cheesy existentialists or something, but he did sort of look at the implications of his interests and he knew that they definitely weren't correct, that they weren't sort of acceptable. And that he tried to extract those tastes from almost everything he did.He really did sort of owe it to himself. I mean, he really found these tastes-he owed it to himself to investigate these things

Here's something that's puzzled me, particularly with the [ANSWER Me!] rape issue-it was one of the reasons we did it-why do you think that people who don't blanch at extreme violence or murder suddenly freak out when a sexual component is introduced?

You'd probably be a better person to ask, but my own opinion is that people are so close to it. People really-if you watch TV, if you watch what goes on-people, all they want to do is talk about or think about fucking. You know, they really are just niggers. And so whenever this happens, they really have to sort of act as if they have a sort of moral standpoint above and beyond this. That they really are above this sort of thing. And it allows them-I think-that sort of indignation allows them the chance to wallow.And as far as the rape stuff goes, again, you're much closer to it than me, but I don't think that anyone's ever really actually talked about the victims deserving this. I mean, I think that would really take away from the crime, to be perfectly honest. That they DID deserve it. I would much rather see it sort of like, like that sort of Spielberg fantasy where the little girl is skipping down the lane in her nice red jacket, you know, thinking rosy thoughts, thinking wonderful thoughts about candy and mommy and hugs and stuff, you know, and gets snatched off the street and ends up in a concentration camp. You know, honestly, I don't know that one follows the other, and it always amazes me when people talk about how victims become saints. My god, there's this case in England that's really incredible. Rachel Nickell, who is this woman who was just walking down Wimbledon Common, and she was raped in front of her child. I don't care what this woman would have done, I mean, I don't have evidence that she was this slut, this slattern, but the prose that came out describing her in this walk down the lane with her child, like she was an angel, she was this thing where all the heavens collided to make this paragon of beauty. It really is disgusting.

You do also point out how, you know, where the fuck were these people's parents and, geez, they surely didn't have any other option but sucking Seattle sperm. I don't get the sense that you're saying that they asked for it, but I'm sure Paglia and maybe a few other people would argue that there are ways to avoid placing yourself in potentially dangerous situations. It's not exactly like they're out pleading to be raped and beaten, but certain people make themselves a little more available, for lack of a better term.

Yeah, well, we're talking about two different examples there, too. I mean, Danny Bridges was always a favorite example of mine, because Mrs. Bridges became a saint, but her kid was fucking sixteen years old, and he was interviewed on TV before he was murdered, you know, asked about Eyler and things, but had been trolling his cock and asshole around since he was, what, fourteen? And then, all of a sudden, the mother's out in front of the courtroom just howling with grief. And I wish it was real. I wish I could look at it and say, "You know, yeah, she's really upset." But you got the feeling that she's really just turning it on for the camera.

Well, it's going to get to the point where people with Down's syndrome will get Pulitzer Prizes. It's being pushed to a point of absurdity where the most obvious mental defectives and fuck-ups are almost held up as christlike.

Exactly. And again, it's just because of this sort of backdrop of all these things that you know don't exist. They couldn't possibly exist in the way that these people say. They just become all these words, these fake sort of ideas.

 

[BC]

Yeh, 'Lazy' was the Sotos book I read. I didn't buy it, JAYSUS NO, it was a kind present to my housemate from Stevie Riot. Hardly a romantic gesture, but I can't think of an more original gift concerning sex. It deeply disturbed me, yet was compulsive reading for 5 minute bursts before I felt ill. I didn't finish it. I don't think I ever could. My mother would kill me.
I'd like to think 'Sotos' is a character Sotos conjured up, due to the fact that I couldn't imagine a total fucking pedo running around getting books printed about what it's like to be a total fucking pedo.

No, thats who he is, through and through. I am all for freedom of speech, but that must include freedom to disagree. I viewpoints of people like Sotos and, to a lesser extent, Goad might be valid in that they are so extremely un-PC, but they aren't being ironic. They're being honest. It is interesting the way sub-cultures make a hole for such people to crawl through. From Johnny Rotten and Siouxie wearing swastika armbands to Ian Stewart becoming frontman for Skrewdriver.

 

[mac warzonescum]

The Dublin Whitehouse show surprised me.... I was also surprised at how ridiculously camp the whole spectacle was..

They are obsessed with deviant sex, the aesthetics of fascism, and electronic music and you are surprised at how camp it all is? Haven't you been paying attention? Didn't you spot any of the clues?



Recommended reading for sick fucks: Hogg by Samuel R Delaney, and Equinox by the same author, in which he adds 100 years to the age of anyone under the point of legal consent so as to avoid accusations of paedophilia.

 

[SONYMEGADRIVE]

The line from one refers to a "craven lust-driven artist channeling confusion and fear into a sickly limp repetative craft". And thats the problem with Sotos' writing and collages.

i always assumed this (and lots of birdseed) was about sotos until someone (on the whitehouse list?) said it might be about tracy emin, which made a lot of sense too.

re: that whole goad interview:
i have totally read that before but don't remember:

And the stuff that I had, the child pornography I had, wasn't this sort of Menudo-type thing. It wasn't just Jock Sturgis photos or whatever. It was really ugly stuff. It was definitely rape.

it's amazing how these oh so extreme people can be so boring that you can completley forget a detail such as that! maybe i'm just a bad reader though

re: whitehouse + homoerotocism...something i never figured at all until i'd seen a video of them before i saw them live. but as someone somewhere pointed out, they've never really ever had a go at queers...ha. everyone else got theirs.

i do think goad is a far more normal and rational guy who goes after controversey for the sake of it, regardless of what he says. i v. much doubt he'll ever murder or rape anyone - i think he knows his boundaries. prove me wrong jim! do it, write another couple of books and then kill yourself and maybe include it in the reissue of answer me #2!

i feel we've collectively 'raped' this thread - sorry the original poster!

andrew

 

[BC]

They are obsessed with deviant sex, the aesthetics of fascism, and electronic music and you are surprised at how camp it all is? Haven't you been paying attention? Didn't you spot any of the clues?

I was expecting something dark, overwhelming and threatening. I was aware of a camp dimension to what they do, but I was definately surprised to see the pair of them behave like a pair of randy gay ravers soaked in amyl nitrate.

 

[BC]

i always assumed this (and lots of birdseed) was about sotos until someone (on the whitehouse list?) said it might be about tracy emin, which made a lot of sense too.

Yes, Tracy Emin did a video piece called "Why I Never Became A Dancer", about how fucked up she is and artistically inspired she is based on an episode of past sexual humiliation. So, yes that is a direct reference. I do think some of that track applies to Sotos, especially the naming of the track "Bird Seed" is interesting.

re: whitehouse + homoerotocism...something i never figured at all until i'd seen a video of them before i saw them live. but as someone somewhere pointed out, they've never really ever had a go at queers...ha. everyone else got theirs.

Well, not really. Whitehouse have never had any racist material. They did albums like "Buchenwald" and "New Britain", but thats just them mocking the use of facist imagery that was started by Throbbing Gristle and over-used by all the post-TG imitators. The association of Whitehouse with far-right ideologies and nazi-wankers is something that Bill Bennett has been directly vocal about being against.

That said, Sotos is openly racist, sexist and homophobic (despite the fact that he frequents glory hole joints with great regularity and zest). The most recent post on the Whitehouse list is quite an interesting one, suggesting that all this woman and gay hating is just self-hatred and projection. Which I think is certainly the case.

i feel we've collectively 'raped' this thread - sorry the original poster!

My apologies also, although I am interested in contributing something to the zine myself.
Well, these discussions will have tangents...