was at a gig a couple of days ago where one of the bands got thrown out of their own gig for saying pro-palestinian things onstage because the venue is run by german punks who are ardently zionist... what a weird country
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was at a gig a couple of days ago where one of the bands got thrown out of their own gig for saying pro-palestinian things onstage because the venue is run by german punks who are ardently zionist... what a weird country
a friend of mine was at chris o'dowd's wedding and was sitting beside richard ayoade and his wife and said they're lovely. he didn't try talking to glinner who looked grumpy.
That's kinda what I remember Germaine Greer saying and i was alluding to, it's not a one way power grab and like, autonomy of decisions and things like that.
though apparently ayoade was rude to paul mescal and refused to apologise on the graham norton show, shocker!
speaking of whom, wasn’t germaine among the original crop of trans-related cancellees, a decade or so ago? I presume she stuck to her guns on that one
Yeah from what I can see - granted she's 80 or whatever but that was her last big gig. There's a few youtubes where she sets her stall out and going beyond the twitter route of picking the sentence that is liked/unliked and making it the whole thing, she makes a range of points which are % agreeable and % disagreeable.
The Female Eunuch sets the scene for excluding trans people from feminism. That’s not to throw the baby out with the bath water in terms of all her arguments but still, she basically painted trans people as perverts. Not sure what her views are now.
I've only read a synopsis and only from the sliver of what it sets out in second wave feminism - thats the bit I was cherry picking to annoy @Deadmanposting
Glinner and Germaine venn diagram incoming
I haven’t read it but my wife read it years ago (before the “trans debate”) and couldn’t finish it because her views on trans people were so repellent.
Yeah I mean like I've not voluntarily exposed myself to anything glinner has done since he lost his mind to the internet - but I'd be a liar if I said I didn't laugh at father ted/black books /it crowd - Ayodododyddee said he was a good writer which is probably the part of him that should be encouraged, rather than (from what i can see) twitter Side A saying he's a terf hero or twitter side B saying he's a prick hero. He is those things but that's 100% not what he's useful for. He used to make people laugh like.
The terf jar will fill eventually though.
The terf jar will fill eventually though.
I really think that most of the psychology of glinner-esque people is that they found a niche of “cheeky troublemaker comedian” in their teens or early-20s, when it can have a certain charm, and then never realised that being a cheeky troublemaker comedian in middle age involves certain downsides.
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After spending a week studying the backdrop to what RM said the common thread between all the postiions I read from the western world was the role of online chat from both pro/anti trans sources in compromising the ability to A: deal with trans people who are on their journey and B: deal with people who are questioning at young age (the majority at present in medical settings) - So at this point seeing that filling or unfilling the terf jar is not helping either trans, questioning or medical professionals and is having negative effects on young people i see the only route forward is to undermine the weekly terf jar rituals - it's not where it's at any more
For the record i've dealt with a lot of comedians and painting a broad stroke here but they are a dark group.
i may have mentioned before, but we watched a louis theroux doc a few years back, where he visited a hospital specialising in gender dysphoria in (i think) san fran. one doctor he was talking to early on in the documentary passed comment that they were seeing kids under two years old. i remember being annoyed that theroux didn't pick him up on that - IIRC kids don't develop a sense of self till about 18 months old, so i was wondering at what age they form a sense of gender identity?
I think framing the "debate" as pro/anti trans isn't the right model - even my Da, who's homophobic in the literal sense, acknowledges that some people have "hormone imbalances" where they feel like a man when they look like a woman or vice versa. Even a culshie born in 1944 has met people like that in his real life, and isn't "anti" them, just feels sorry for them.
It seems to me that most of the vitriol is associated with who gets to decide whether someone is trans. Is it completely down to the individual, or does society have a role? The twitter-left want to protect the individual from Society, and portray anyone who thinks it's not entirely up to the individual as fascists. The twitter-right want to protect Society from the individual, and portray anyone who thinks it's not entirely up to society as a threat to women. Actual trans people, or troubled-young-people-questioning-their-gender-who-might-not-actually-be-trans are just pawns in their ongoing war
Yeah I agree and I was just pointing out that he has form for being unhinged on twitter. Seems like he just wants to be liked and his chosen people are people who don't like Owen Jones. Bizarre world to be in.
This will surprise absolutely no-one; I admire Germaine Greer a lot and find much of her work...germane (ha). Growing up, she was a lifeline for a girl like me, and I was only re-reading The Female Eunuch a while back, cannot believe that book is 53 years old, so much of it is as apposite now as then...like many people, she is complicated.
He seems to have dealt with some shit in his past; not saying it's relevant to the current situation but he does admit to having a 'complicated, unhealthy relationship towards sex that continues to this day'
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