Usually not that into Hip Hop these days but... (2 Viewers)

[Lili Marlene]

I can't speak French so I let the funky music do the talking now.

that sorta thing?

 

[Goodbye]

Sorry Ian

I appreciate the apology.

The flaming was a bit uncalled for, but I appreciate the apology.

I merely expressed a preference.

I started the thread by naming it, "I'm usually not into Hip Hop these days" but I did grow up with it. Melle Mel, Fat Boys, Run Dmc, Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash and later with acts like DJ Shadow and Mo Wax label affiliates. I was pretty into Hip Hop, so much so, I was introduced to Slayer by Public Enemy sampling them back in the day. But as I grew older I leaned toward more "performed" music. I felt sampled based Hip Hop had gotten as far as it could go (for me anyway).

The video in my first post impressed me as it was refreshing to hear some new Hip Hop that was not the same old same old, and performed by a band playing real instruments and not the usual yawnfest of Dre wannabe sounds and sub bass frequencies but my MAIN reason for posting was how the video was achieved was what impressed me the most. It was done in one take and all music was performed live. Very cool.

And for the record, my all time favorite Hip Hop album is Pauls Boutique by the beasties, produced by the Dust Brothers where every sound on that record comes from a sample.

And the fact that I do or do not play the guitar is completely beside the point.

Feel the love:heart:

 

[Wheels]

I just listened to Polly Wog Stew for the first time in years there. Won't be doing that again in a hurry! Now to Dust off Paul's Boutique...

 

[japeo]

the best live hip hop i ever saw was edan and i think he was playing acoustic guitar at some point in that set ( could be wrong)

but yeah he was cool..

kool keith (who is great) was shit live i thought..

music is music and it's either good or bad,

you can play a sampler like a banjo if you know what you are doing, they are just a thing to put in your hand.. the amount of skill you exercise with it determines whether you can play it or not..

how could somebody dislike music purely based on what technology it is made with?

that just don't make sense..

mmm i don't even think anybody said that in this thread..

annnnnyyyywayyyyy everybody likes samplers right?

 

[Goodbye]

mmm i don't even think anybody said that in this thread..

annnnnyyyywayyyyy everybody likes samplers right?

I think my main problem with some sample based music, is the main "hook" of a song is usually a sampled riff or line from someone else's record. I guess its more prevalent in RnB* Usher type shite.

Case in point:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mvjhDu2de8"]YouTube - BOW WOW "BREAK IT DOWN"[/ame]


*and don't get me started on how Rhythm and Blues evolved into a shorthand for referencing this shite.

 

[PornOnVinyl]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCXVCpcopa8"]YouTube - Black Violin "Brandenburg" - Music Video[/ame]

Classically trained violinist hip hop artists. Not sure if they rap, there are lyrics on the album but might be collaborations.

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

I just listened to Polly Wog Stew for the first time in years there. Won't be doing that again in a hurry! Now to Dust off Paul's Boutique...

finest moment. Do you have the 7" or 12"?

 

[ann post]

i've seen this and

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIw5ZqC1ms"]YouTube - OutKast - Hey Ya![/nomedia]

this played on acoustic, both amazing.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5Olen_1co"]YouTube - Warren G - Regulate[/nomedia]

 

[Lili Marlene]

i've seen this and

YouTube - OutKast - Hey Ya!

this played on acoustic, both amazing.

YouTube - Warren G - Regulate

worst EVER

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-8nkkOA_AM"]YouTube - Hey Ya Cover[/nomedia]

 

[ann post]

i'm sorry i missed this thread, i coulda knocked a day out of it.

 

[ann post]

it wasnt on youtube, it was at somones house at 5am, i wish i'd smapled it.

 

[Lili Marlene]

that's alright. As long as you weren't in that guys house. I hate that guy and his stupid hey ya cover

if Simon Cowell had a show called Indie Idol everyone would come on and play songs in that style

 

[SONYMEGADRIVE]

I think my main problem with some sample based music, is the main "hook" of a song is usually a sampled riff or line from someone else's record. I guess its more prevalent in RnB* Usher type shite.

Case in point:
YouTube - BOW WOW "BREAK IT DOWN"


*and don't get me started on how Rhythm and Blues evolved into a shorthand for referencing this shite.

what's the sample in that? are you sure it's a sample? there's a big move
away from sampling in the kind of stuff you're using as an example as it's
so cost expensive to get clearance on everything....and litigious if you don't

http://evilmonito.com/2008/12/16/is-sampling-dead/

c'mon ian, just say it - you don't like "them"

 

[ann post]

if i'd been here for the fight i probably would have said that there really arent many instruments that offer the level of hands on expression that guitars can, the concpet of steel strung instruments is a long standing staple of any well established culture, although the guitar is only a few hundred years old, its the son of the on which the first things resembling contemporary songs where performed on, its a cousin of the sitar, the shamisen the oud and the banjo, cultures and kingdoms have come and gone during its history. i dont care what you say about sampling, it cant compete with the physical manipulation of amplified thin metal manipulated by both human hands. the only historical backing i can think of for sampling would be the grgorian monnks learning 80 hours odd of chants by ear. those guys are pretty hip, but at present the sample is a drop in the ocean, a young fad. when somone can control and express it at the level hendrix did then i'd give it more creedence

cr.

 

[Wheels]

finest moment. Do you have the 7" or 12"

Hardly. And neither, just dug out an old cassette copy.

 

[shitepipe]

if i'd been here for the fight i probably would have said that there really arent many instruments that offer the level of hands on expression that guitars can, the concpet of steel strung instruments is a long standing staple of any well established culture, although the guitar is only a few hundred years old, its the son of the on which the first things resembling contemporary songs where performed on, its a cousin of the sitar, the shamisen the oud and the banjo, cultures and kingdoms have come and gone during its history. i dont care what you say about sampling, it cant compete with the physical manipulation of amplified thin metal manipulated by both human hands. the only historical backing i can think of for sampling would be the grgorian monnks learning 80 hours odd of chants by ear. those guys are pretty hip, but at present the sample is a drop in the ocean, a young fad. when somone can control and express it at the level hendrix did then i'd give it more creedence

too late.

(btw, have you heard Donuts?)

 

[ann post]

too late.

(btw, have you heard Donuts?)

linketh??

 

[johan doobay]

Edan liveshow = Talent. (yup, there's an acoustic guitar in there)

A mate has some fancy two-camera footage of that Dublin show, shit is ahh-sum.

The guitar is a brilliant instrument. Loads of expression, tone, history, and a foundation in music composition. But put it in the hands of the wrong person, its torture.

The sampler is also a brilliant instrument. Incredibly versatile, it can be brass, strings, percussion, voice, whatever and can be used to improvise in the same way as any instrument/object. But put in the hands of the wrong person, and its shit device that just repeats 8 seconds of someone else's music for the duration of a song.

Its all relative to the person using it and the ideas involved.


Here's some sample-based music.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twHhcB4D-po"]YouTube - jel anticon sweetcreaminit live bedroom mix[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4wQKIRwYWo"]YouTube - Birdy Nam Nam[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjubhsM1Upk"]YouTube - Dirty Southpause "Time 4 Tacos"[/ame]

 

[Goodbye]

what's the sample in that? are you sure it's a sample? there's a big move
away from sampling in the kind of stuff you're using as an example as it's
so cost expensive to get clearance on everything....and litigious if you don't

http://evilmonito.com/2008/12/16/is-sampling-dead/

c'mon ian, just say it - you don't like "them"

Yeah, bleedin' *******ers (yeah right)

Yes I'm sure its a sample. Its Shhh by Prince from The Gold Experience album. You can clearly hear it pitched up when he "breaks down".

 

[ann post]

The guitar is a brilliant instrument. Loads of expression, tone, history, and a foundation in music composition. But put it in the hands of the wrong person, its torture.

The sampler is also a brilliant instrument. Incredibly versatile, it can be brass, strings, percussion, voice, whatever and can be used to improvise in the same way as any instrument/object. But put in the hands of the wrong person, and its shit device that just repeats 8 seconds of someone else's music for the duration of a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjubhsM1Upk

i wouldnt detract from an emulators ability to emulate anything, i think of it in some ways as a homage to music, creatively they could all do with getting away from the big beat formula, to me it nullifies the creativity in whats going on. what i really think about when it comes to performed vs electronic is the subject of colour, synaesthesia i think is the word. samples by thier nature are more perfectly coloured then acoustic (i just dont mean guitar) sounds, even if they are dissonant they are still by nature an information string thats being fed one direcion or the other.. and by being more perfectly coloured they miss out on dissonance, chance and large parts of the audio/sonic spectrum. they all seem to communicate with audience on a one way level, even when faced with somethign like ableton where the manipulation of the stuff is really at hand, its being manipulated in acordance wih an algorythym that has been programmed in ana office months before the fact of perfomance, so to my ears its all just a little bland sonically, essentialy wallpaper made of images previously deemed to be acceptable, with all thier colour and character toned down to the point where they can sit side by side.