Oh and for comparison, the chill, well-fed adults of the Iberian peninsula score a 3.7 (Spain) and 6.3 (Portugal) per 100,000.
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I looked it up, we have the 7th lowest rate of traffic-related deaths in the world at 2.9 per 100,000 people:
I think the wiki is old data but current data from the WHO is backing this up - their site is making my phone shit the bed though.
And while I love to complain about how bad driving is in this country, we’re actually doing pretty good based on the numbers.
Aside from road deaths being a good indicator of driver behaviour (increasingly risky behaviour will lead to more deaths), I couldn’t find data on just accidents or on injuries. So in the absence of other data, this is the only quantifiable measure I could find at 1am in bed. Having another search now, I still can't find any info on accidents generally as opposed to fatalities. I'm sure it's out there but not in a dataset I can find.It depends on what numbers you want to use though.
On that wiki we are 7th - but what if you cross reference that with population density and driving conditions?
Hong kong is as dense as soup. a lot of these are fake countries, the UK has the same driving culture as us and the rest of of them drive on snow through mountains a lot.
the first comparable country is germany, which is three times as population dense as us and has roads with no speed limits.
Then you have to also add on that in ireland we drive newer posher cars than spain / portugal that have safety features and stuff.
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And all the numbers say are road deaths, they don't depict behavoir or attitudes or infrastructure.
Like I cycled 9 days in spain and 1 person beeped at me, they had a romanian number plate. I cycled 4 days in portugal and the cycle/car interactions were all so relaxed. I cycle 2 hours in galway in a day and there is a guaranteed road rage, a few pointless beeps, close passes and all the rest. There are cycle lanes not just in big cities and people aren't losing thier minds because they have to slow down for a few seconds, it's just a civil interaction. People are scared to cycle in ireland, in portugal/spain kids are tearing around on everything from pedal to ebike to motorbike in greater numbers with shittier cars and worse roads. a number offf wiki doesn't really depict those differences and how they are accomodating them
So maybe being angry, hungry children is the best way to drive a car?
Quantify it in some way and get back to me.Well people are afraid to use the roads by bike or on foot, how do we adjust for that?
People are actually using roads with cars on them though, this is observable and measurable. We also know that death is a common and serious outcome of using roads with cars. So whole fatalities might not be the most comprehensive indicator for road safety but it’s an appropriate indicator that is actually measured and can be analysed.Getting fatality rates is a hell of a lot easier than getting modal rates.
We had zero deaths from swimming in shark infested pools in Ireland last year, so the data shows that swimming in shark infested pools is safe.
That’s fair enough but as I said above, if you can actually capture it in real numbers, then you can say something more definitive about it. Percentages are fine but they are crap for understanding the real effects of a phenomenon.More seriously, to go back to the comparison with NL, I think approx 2% of primary school students cycle to school here, compared with IIRC about 18% in NL. And 3% of secondary students compared with something like 60% in NL. The reason road deaths are lower in Ireland in that one comparison is that vastly fewer people take the 'risky' option, but the stats bandied about capture the risks but not the benefits of cycling - which outweigh the risks.
citation requiredwe also know that sharks are ... unable to live in fresh chlorinated water
The Zambezi river shark is the only freshwater shark, bull sharks can manage some time in fresh water but chlorine levels in pools are 1000x higher than the levels that are recommended for anything with gills. The LD50 for marine fish is about 1% of the concentration of a swimming pool and about 2% for freshwater fish:citation required
Or don't drive at all.You can tie yourselves in knots over over measurable stats of you can JUST DRIVE BETTER.
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