Mandatory Drug Testing (4 Viewers)

[Lefty Frizzell]

maybe call the drug 'cake' or something catchy like that.

all prisoners could do with some dimesmeric andersonphosphates every now and again.

 

[nEiLo]

well for one thing it is a system that could be abused..

eh... they are taking drugs in prison... is that not abusing the system?

 

[nEiLo]

5. Except for those limitations that are demonstrably necessitated by
the fact of incarceration

would one of these limitations be "not taking drugs"?

just wondering...

 

[nEiLo]

eh... they are taking drugs in prison... is that not abusing the system?

no you spa, he means that it could be abused by the guv'ner

 

[aoboa]

would one of these limitations be "not taking drugs"?

just wondering...

Extend the same logic to yr average everyday (and also illegal) recreational drugs. Should mandatory drug testing be introduced for everyone so?
It's all illegal innit???

 

[It Will Never Last]

I'm seeing aoife's point re. the costs of this and the benfite of rehabilitation (is this just an admission that the government don't have the willpower to reofrm the prison system for the good, and so zero tolerance is their chosen way forward?).

But I'm also seeing nEiLo's point about the limitations of incarceration, including the no taking toby's.

I feel so conflicted.

 

[Latex lizzie]

eh... they are taking drugs in prison... is that not abusing the system?

Touche.

 

[aoboa]

I'm seeing aoife's point re. the costs of this and the benfite of rehabilitation (is this just an admission that the government don't have the willpower to reofrm the prison system for the good, and so zero tolerance is their chosen way forward?).

But I'm also seeing nEiLo's point about the limitations of incarceration, including the no taking toby's.

I feel so conflicted.

The gov are just throwing out a crumb to the press, to make it look like they're doing something.

Think about it for a second - it's gonna create way more problems than it solves and cost WAY more money in the process.

 

[It Will Never Last]

The gov are just throwing out a crumb to the press, to make it look like they're doing something.

Think about it for a second - it's gonna create way more problems than it solves and cost WAY more money in the process.

But isn't that a by-product of adopting a "tougher" line on lawlessness? More police, more CCTV, more prison places?

 

[nEiLo]

Extend the same logic to yr average everyday (and also illegal) recreational drugs. Should mandatory drug testing be introduced for everyone so?
It's all illegal innit???

i see your point, but they are in prison after all. you can't have people breaking the law in gaol!!!!

 

[Bluto]

NAIL 'EM UP I say! NAIL 'EM UP!

 

[aoboa]

But isn't that a by-product of adopting a "tougher" line on lawlessness? More police, more CCTV, more prison places?

All they keep doing is proposing new legislation instead of paying for the resources to enforce and implement current laws etc.

 

[Latex lizzie]

no you spa, he means that it could be abused by the guv'ner

zactly. People who aren't taking drugs the prison doesn't like suddenly magicing up "positive" results.And they get to hang on to them for whatever reason.These laws last a long time usually once they are passed it's a bugger to get rid of them. There could be a social context in ten years time where we wish this law had never been passed.dunno. I like drugs.

Its happened before.

 

[aoboa]

i see your point, but they are in prison after all. you can't have people breaking the law in gaol!!!!

Okay, so lets appeal to your human side.
Is throwing a junky into jail to go cold turkey with no support cool?
Don't foget he's only a criminal cos he's a junky.

 

[nEiLo]

The gov are just throwing out a crumb to the press, to make it look like they're doing something.

Think about it for a second - it's gonna create way more problems than it solves and cost WAY more money in the process.

the irish equivalent of haliburton will probably carry out the tests...

but there is still some logic to the tests... to solve (or help solve) the drug problem in prisons...

how do you stop it so? do you rigourously search visitors to the prison? that would meet with huge opposition too.

i feel that adopting a right-on attitude to every situation/problem will not solve anything.

 

[It Will Never Last]

All they keep doing is proposing new legislation instead of paying for the resources to enforce and implement current laws etc.

Yeah, but do you not see my point? Instead of tackling crime with the already hefty series of measures available to them, they continue to introduce new legislation criminalising larger sections of society and increasing the associated costs? So look at this in that context.

 

[hermie]

just voted no for this,it's not looking good though

 

[It Will Never Last]

Extend the same logic to yr average everyday (and also illegal) recreational drugs. Should mandatory drug testing be introduced for everyone so?
It's all illegal innit???

By that logic, every time someone comes to visit you're liable to be strip searched by a prison guard in your own home.

 

[aoboa]

Yeah, but do you not see my point? Instead of tackling crime with the already hefty series of measures available to them, they continue to introduce new legislation criminalising larger sections of society and increasing the associated costs? So look at this in that context.

That much I understand, the usual words instead of actions but I don't quite get the point you're making.

 

[Bag'o'cans]

VOTE YES