Mandatory Drug Testing (4 Viewers)

[spiritualtramp]

also, i think of everyone here, buzzo is actually far more qualified to give an opinion about this (sweeping or not) than you, or most other people on this board. it is her line of work, after all.

Right so, obviously because she is more qualified we must all agree then that the government are only doing this to attack poor people.

Of course, this new legislation has nothing to do with the fact that the government have been pressured by groups like COCAD (which tend to be run by people whose communities have been blighted by heroin use for decades) for years about the drug problems in jails. No, it is an evil attack on poor people.

 

[oh shit]

you believe so much in the rationality of the government because you accept that government's conception of historical reality must concur with that of people at the sharp end (no pun intended) - this is usually not the case.
but what would foucault know. he didn't have a pressure group.
NARC

 

[taubstumm]

Right so, obviously because she is more qualified we must all agree then that the government are only doing this to attack poor people.

Of course, this new legislation has nothing to do with the fact that the government have been pressured by groups like COCAD (which tend to be run by people whose communities have been blighted by heroin use for decades) for years about the drug problems in jails. No, it is an evil attack on poor people.

don't put words in my mouth. i didn't say that, and you know i didn't say that.

 

[mazzyianne]

However it is not any sort of government vendetta against poor people. To come out with such sweeping statements is kind of patronising to the vast majority of poor lickle poor people.

What tom said.
Also I think the phrase used was 'poor real people' as in the unfortunate real people not the economically less well off.
think you're taking QB up all wrong

 

[Corey]

Right so, obviously because she is more qualified we must all agree then that the government are only doing this to attack poor people.

Of course, this new legislation has nothing to do with the fact that the government have been pressured by groups like COCAD (which tend to be run by people whose communities have been blighted by heroin use for decades) for years about the drug problems in jails. No, it is an evil attack on poor people.

More's the problem with a government's methods than their intention. It's not what they're trying to to do; it's how they think it should be done that some would take issue with.

You wear hoodies?

Politics. I love it.

 

[spiritualtramp]

Also I think the phrase used was 'poor real people' as in the unfortunate real people not the economically less well off.

Yeah, get your point but still, as opposed to who though - the unfortunate jellymen from the moon?

It was the leave them alone bit that annoyed me really. I actually don't agree with what McDowell is doing here but I think his motivation for it isn't out of being pure evil, it is because people are still coming out of prison geared out of their heads and the government has been pressured about this for donkeys years by anti-drugs groups. All the anti-drugs groups think the government have left the problem alone long enough.

think you're taking QB up all wrong

Yeah, I think it was a case of misreading her post. I just found it baffling that she thought that it was a vendetta against poor people. Most poor people are sick to death of heroin blighting their communities, heroin dealers and the fact that people can't even be kept away from heroin in prisons.

Here Buzzo, did you see this?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,1644689,00.html

 

[ICUH8N]

Stop harshing my buzz(o)

 

[P. Littbarski]

it is because people are still coming out of prison geared out of their heads

some also go in clean...and come out junkies

 

[Buzzo]

!!!!!!
Caroline the man was a fucking ambulance chaser! A personal injury lawyer! Lots of idiots are elected. You cannot deny this.

Who says his motivation is pure evil? This isn't being done for the good of people in prison, it's political posturing. It's fuckin bollocks. If the man listened to or cared about *any* of the advice he's been offered by numerous international and domestic bodies dealing with prisoners/drugs, he would implement evidence based best policy practice. If he's under pressure from the anti- drugs groups, he's also under pressure from human rights groups. He chooses to listen to one over the other.

Drug use is a problem in prison, but implementing a policy (mandatory drug testing) that has been proven not to work in favour of a policy that will without a doubt reduce the number of people contracting fatal illnesses in prison is just idiocy.

If you like, I can outline my mega plan to deal with the problem that I know would work better than his.

Me for Minister for Justice.
Amen.

ps. Thanks Tom.