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21/07/05

Treaty gives CIA powers over Irish citizens

By Dan Buckley
US INVESTIGATORS, including CIA agents, will be allowed interrogate Irish citizens on Irish soil in total secrecy, under an agreement signed between Ireland and the US last week.

Suspects will also have to give testimony and allow property to be searched and seized even if what the suspect is accused of is not a crime in Ireland.

Under 'instruments of agreement' signed last week by Justice Minister Michael McDowell, Ireland and the US pledged mutual co-operation in the investigation of criminal activity. It is primarily designed to assist America's so-called 'war on terror' in the wake of the September 11 atrocities.

The deal was condemned yesterday by the Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL) as "an appalling signal of how the rights of Irish citizens are considered by the minister when engaging in international relations". The ICCL said it appeared to go far beyond even what has been agreed between EU countries.






On signing the agreement, the minister said that "the international community must do everything it can to combat terrorism with every means at its disposal.

"Ireland will not be found wanting," he added.

The treaty will give effect to agreements on Mutual Legal Assistance and Extradition signed by the EU and the US in June 2003. These are aimed at building on mutual assistance and extradition arrangements.

Although the Department of Justice insists that the arrangement merely updates existing agreements, it goes much further. The US may ask Irish authorities:

To track down people in Ireland.

Transfer prisoners in Irish custody to the US.

Carry out searches and seize evidence on behalf of the US Government.

It also allows US authorities access to an Irish suspect's confidential bank information. The Irish authorities must keep all these activities secret if asked to do so by the US.

The person who will request co-operation is US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, the man who, as White House counsel, instigated the notorious 'torture memo' to US President George W Bush which advised how far CIA agents could go in torturing prisoners. The person to whom the request is sent is the Minister for Justice.

About 20,000 immigrants, who have not been charged with any crime, are currently in prison in the US. In two recent US Supreme Court cases, the US Government argued that US citizens could be imprisoned indefinitely without charge if the president designated them as "enemy combatants".

ICCL director Aisling Reidy said: "An extraordinary aspect to this treaty is, despite its scope and its potential to violate basic constitutional and human rights, that all this happened without debate or transparency.

"To agree to give such powers to a government which has allowed detention of its own citizens without access to a lawyer for over a year, which has legitimised Guantanamo Bay and the interrogation techniques there, without public debate, is an appalling signal of how highly or not the rights of Irish citizens are considered by the minister when engaging in international relations."

The Department of Justice said it was wrong to say the treaty happened without debate, as the agreements update and supplement existing arrangements, and the EU-US agreement has been scrutinised by the Oireachtas four times since December 2002.

A spokesperson also rejected that the measures go beyond what was agreed between EU countries.

Legislation will be required to give effect to some elements of the Mutual Legal Assistance Instrument. The necessary provisions will be contained in the Criminal Justice (Mutual Assistance) Bill which Mr McDowell expects to publish shortly.
 
This is insane. It is bad enough that they (the US) have already been allowed to manhandle and harass Irish citizens at Shannon Airport and treat it as US soil.

For. Fuck. Sake.
 
It's really terrifying. We were watching a Laws and Orders last night, where there were these 'secret' prisoners at a federal prison, being tortured and deprived of food and clothes and everything, and it was really scary to think that in 50 years time, people will be watching this stuff and thinking, "Wow, it was absorbed into popular culture so quickly." I mean, the show was clearly opposed to such awful injustice, but what didn't seem so realistic was the justice system winning out in the end, freeing the prisoners and ensuring they got a fair trial.

That's the saddest part. The illegal and covert imprisonment and torture of people was believable. The justice part seemed like a total fantasy. I was actually thinking about this bill and wondering if there was any evidence lately of any detention in Ireland. It's scary even if they don't use the power, but I was wondering if there were detentions, or if the government is too busy deporting Irish-born children with autism to Nigeria to bother locking up anyone else?
 
I don't have a problem with this agreement really. Of course there is going to be that kind of co-operation between agencies in different countires. I've worked in accounting practices here that have been raided and had computers siezed by the FBI/SEC.

This bit about bank accounts is worrying, but when you consider thay can already do this kind of snooping around in secrecy anyway..

The really frightening thing is that if the US actually suspected you then they would just take you and smuggle you out of the country and they wouldn't be going cap in had to the authorities here first. Seems pointless to worry about the nature of a legal agreement with a counrty who are prepared to act extra-legally when it suits tem.
 
the article is from 21/07/05

relax people- sure the the war on terror is long over by now
 
at crustyfuckfest (I think about 3 years ago.. maybe more) we did an anti-war march, passers by were noted to have said things like "sure the wars over, what are they doing?"

jesus, this thing is messed up... I better play some more tony hawk
 
There's only one solution to this kind of thing:

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i can see a CIA agent in the backround there,indecent exposure in a public place...yer in big trouble now!
 

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