this auld wan that's up the duff (3 Viewers)

[egg_]

science - in this case biology, but the point is general - doesn't 'prove' anything. it demonstrates things beyond a reasonable doubt.

I was joking Tom. See this post, in particular its use of the word "prove" and the suggestion that the reader should read some books: http://www.thumped.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=536391&postcount=670

 

[oh shit]

weird timing
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48199

New 'Anti-Abortion Pill' Kills Mother, Leaves Fetus Alive

May 10, 2006 | Issue 42•19
NEW YORK—Pro-life advocates celebrated approval of the new anti-abortion drug UR-86 by the Food and Drug Administration Tuesday, calling it a "safe and effective method" for terminating pregnant women while leaving their unborn children unharmed.
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A doctor explains to an expectant mother how her organs will slowly dissolve with the new pill.

Pfizer, manufacturer of UR-86—dubbed the "last-morning-ever pill"—said the drug is intended only for occasions when the mind-set or politics of the mother threaten the life of the fetus.

"This drug is designed for extreme cases in which the mother cannot or should not be saved, or when her health has been placed before that of her unborn child," Pfizer spokesman Anthony Wright said.

The orally ingested drug first tests for the presence of a fetus. If the outcome is positive, a near-lethal dose of barbiturates is released, which induces a coma in the expectant mother until the child is born, at which point a second, fatal dose is released.

The FDA's approval came after months of clinical trials firmly established that the fetus would be nourished and protected in the womb of the near-deceased UR-86 user.

Gender-equality advocates praised the introduction of the drug, calling it an "innovative solution" to the highly polarizing national abortion debate.

"This is a step forward for equality," men's rights activist Charles Hackett said. "For too long, women have had an unfair advantage in the outcome of a pregnancy. UR-86 levels the playing field for husbands and boyfriends across America."

Anti-abortion advocates, many of whom had petitioned the FDA to approve UR-86 while the drug was still in the research-and-development stage, also reacted warmly to the FDA's decision. Randall Terry, founder of the pro-life organization Operation Rescue, praised the new pharmaceutical for its potential use in cases of rape and incest, saying it could help end the shame and humiliation of such trauma while saving the life of the fetus.

"Victims of sexual assault can feel trapped, like they've got nowhere to turn," Terry said. "Now, they can solve their deep, internal problems once and for all, without unfairly condemning their children."

Yet critics say UR-86's prescription-only status and the fact that most health insurance plans do not cover the drug limit its effectiveness, as it is not available to those who need it most.

"If people can't afford the drug or get it prescribed on short notice, they're not going to have enough time to act, especially when their wives want to end the pregnancy fast," men's issues commentator Stan Dynes said. "UR-86 should be made available over the counter as soon as possible. It's the husband's right to choose if this drug is right for him, and neither the government nor the medical elite should get in the way of that decision."

Pfizer trials showed that UR-86 can do nothing for the fetus if an abortion procedure is performed. "If the mother is administered the pill the morning after an abortion, the fetus cannot be revived because it won't be there," Pfizer's Wright said. "It will still terminate the mother, though."

Conversely, some lawmakers are uneasy with the concept of ready access to the anti-abortion pill.

Tuesday night, South Dakota legislators introduced a bill to impose a five-day waiting period for teenage girls and women before they can buy the pill, claiming its use does not adequately safeguard the lifestyle of the father, the laundry of the father, or the favorite meals of the father. The legislators cited Pfizer's own published list of side effects of UR-86, which include domestic messiness, already-born-child neglect, and inadequate stocking of the fridge.

Still, Pfizer anticipates not only that the drug will be popular with husbands, but also that, once available over the counter, UR-86 will likely find a large consumer base in mothers-in-law, downstairs neighbors, and extramarital lovers.

 

[Wilbert]

no. most people familiar with the facts of the case accept that brady is psychotic. he's been recommended for release no sooner than last year (i think) but he himself never wants to be released. hindley was an accomplice.

Yeah, an accomplice. She just gave him a lift and held his coat while he went about his murdering.

 

[oh shit]

ok, more than accomplice. is my whole argument now collapsing? what's your take on the myra hindley saga?

 

[Wilbert]

ok, more than accomplice. is my whole argument now collapsing? what's your take on the myra hindley saga?

Just being facetious. All I know about Myra Hindley, I learned from Morrissey.

 

[La La]

 

[La La]

there's a Ro vs Wade/Jane type joke here but I cant get it together.


so who won in the end?
will there be a party?

 

[glen]

Jane is expecting Ro's baby and wants to have it at home but Ro is insistent she goes to Holles Street, where all proper babies are born. Jane says over her dead body and that, if it came to the crunch, Holles street would be the last hospital on earth she'd want to give birth but perhaps the Rotunda wouldn't be so bad.

Anyway, Kirstie's insisting she's the father and that she wants Jane to have the baby in the National Aquatic Centre becuase they have way better towels there and you also get free lifetime mebership if you're born on the premises. Ro has challenged this decision and has "claimed" Kirstie as a result.

 

[Space]

Will we all be invited to the Christianing, or will be there be one at all?

 

[classic seanc]

Can we call the baby "dude"?

 

[nlgbbbblth]

Jane is expecting Ro's baby and wants to have it at home but Ro is insistent she goes to Holles Street, where all proper babies are born. Jane says over her dead body and that, if it came to the crunch, Holles street would be the last hospital on earth she'd want to give birth but perhaps the Rotunda wouldn't be so bad.

What's your problem with The Coombe?

 

[oh shit]

so ps, apparently you need to have been married in order to claim child support in ireland?

that sounds wrong to me, but that's what my friend says... she's a single mother, the father never wanted anything to do with the child, but he's on the birth cert, he said he was going to live in the states but she's just found out he's in dublin earning about 700 euro a week. she says she can't do anything about it, but she's really not bothered, think it's more hassle than it's worth...
i'm just curious though, is there anything she could do about if she wanted?

 

[pete]

so ps, apparently you need to have been married in order to claim child support in ireland?

that sounds wrong to me, but that's what my friend says... she's a single mother, the father never wanted anything to do with the child, but he's on the birth cert, he said he was going to live in the states but she's just found out he's in dublin earning about 700 euro a week. she says she can't do anything about it, but she's really not bothered, think it's more hassle than it's worth...
i'm just curious though, is there anything she could do about if she wanted?

http://oasis.gov.ie/relationships/civil_relationships/maintenance_and_unmarried_couples.html

it's all there

 

[oh shit]

thanks pete
i wonder what the proper circumstances are.

 

[RSJ]

Anyone watching sky news about a half an hour ago? Story about the two-pill abortion thing that's going on in the UK, they'd a sort of post report analysis interview with some old smug git on about the psychological effect it has on women and how "studies show women who go through with long term pregnancies end up happy with their decision". Woman doing the interview interrupted him and said "excuse me, can you cite your sources for those studies, i'd be very surprised to hear they exist", he blabbed some random names after a few prompts and she basically said that no man could imagine the psychological effect an abortion has on a woman. They argied a bit, cut to commercial, come back with someone else interviewing a pregnancies advisor who was against the pill in question and some old anti-abortion dude. Mad it was.